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re-read the section my friend. EDIT darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 12/12/2010 03:58:28 PM
Egwene thinks she can overcome the BEFORE she knows she's been dosed with forkroot!

KOD
Prologue

Abruptly it came to her that she was not shielded. Muddled she might be, but that made no sense at all. They could feel her strength, as she could theirs, and while none was weak, she thought she could overcome all five if she were quick enough. The True Source was a vast sun just beyond the edge of sight, calling to her. The first question was, did she dare try yet? In the state her head was, thought wading through knee-deep mud, whether she could actually embrace saidar was uncertain, and succeed or fail, they would know once she tried. Best to try recovering a little beforehand. The second question was, how long did she dare wait? They would not let her go unshielded forever.

Experimentally, she tried wiggling her toes inside her stout leather shoes, and was delighted when they moved obediently. Life seemed to be returning slowly to her arms and legs. She thought she might be able to raise her head now, if unsteadily. Whatever they had given her was wearing off. How long?

Events were taken out of her hands by the dark-haired sister sitting in the middle of the rear seat, who leaned forward and slapped her so hard that she toppled onto the lap of the woman she had been leaning against.

Her hand went to her stinging cheek on its own volition. So much for pretending unconsciousness.

“There was no need for that, Katerine,” a raspy voice said above her as its owner lifted her upright again. She could hold her head up, just, it turned out. Katerine. That would be Katerine Alruddin, a Red. It seemed important to identify her captors for some reason, though she knew nothing of Katerine beyond her name and Ajah. The sister she had fallen onto was yellow-haired, but her moon-shadowed face belonged to a stranger. “I think you gave her too much of the forkroot,” the woman went on.

A chill flashed through her. So that was what she had been fed! She racked her brain for everything Nynaeve had told her about that vile tea, but her thoughts were still slow. Better, though, it seemed. She was sure Nynaeve had said the effects took some time to go away completely.
“I gave her the exact dose, Felaana,” the sister who had slapped her replied dryly, “and as you can see, it is leaving her precisely as it should. I want her able to walk by the time we reach the Tower. I certainly don’t intend to help carry her again,” she finished with a glare for the sister seated to Egwene’s left, who shook her head, beaded braids clicking faintly. That was Pritalle Nerbaijan, a Yellow who had done her best to avoid teaching novices or Accepted and made little secret of her dislike for the task when forced to it.


Clearly the AS have been experimenting with the effects of forkroot and knew exactly how much to give her to prevent her from being able to Channel with any strength for hours, but to make sure she was awake within a certain time frame. Just as clearly she was given a pretty strong does as it knocked her out for a while... compare to what she has to say about this dose that did not knock her out...

TGS
In The White Tower

Three hours of working the kitchens did little to improve her mood. Laras, the hefty Mistress of Kitchens, had set Egwene at scrubbing out one of the oven like fireplaces. It was dirty, grimy work, not conducive to thinking. Not that there were many ways out of her situation.
...

She continued, scratching with her scrape at a blackened section of brick, dimly lit by the lantern she'd left burning in a corner inside the fireplace. She itched to use the One Power; but the Reds outside would sense her channeling, and she'd discovered that her afternoon dose of forkroot had been uncharacteristically strong, leaving her unable to channel as much as a trickle. In fact, it had been strong enough to leave her drowsy, which made the work even harder.


So she's given a dose not strong enough to knock her out, but she's still unable to channel even a trickle 3 hours later! It's no wonder no one is questioning Barasine alone holding the shield, and that's assuming they didn't go get another Sister if Katerine had been allowed to go!

In fact we know for fact that the effects of a strong does can keep her unable to Channel with any strength for most of the night ... we see it after she meets Verin! Just prior to that scene she takes a strong dose of forkroot (but not strong enough to even make her drowsy), and then proceeds to spend most of the night in study of Verin's book (by the time Meidani comes an entire candle has burned to a nub), and later when the Seanchan attack she can only barely grasp the source.

Silviana was being cautious indeed by having 2 strong sisters hold her shield while she slept.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
This message last edited by darius_sedai on 12/12/2010 at 04:39:53 PM
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Here are te quotes... - 09/12/2010 10:10:09 PM 1252 Views
Did you not read the quote above, made by Egwene in the heat of battle with Mesaana? - 09/12/2010 10:34:05 PM 1256 Views
It might interest you to know that that was Katerine! - 10/12/2010 12:15:51 AM 1068 Views
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its a useless point - 10/12/2010 10:11:00 AM 1250 Views
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Nynaeve has been channeling (albeit blocked) for close to 10 years - 10/12/2010 02:24:57 PM 1296 Views
Think about the logic of what you're proposing... - 10/12/2010 02:39:56 PM 1240 Views
It's what's in the friggin books! - 10/12/2010 03:33:08 PM 1208 Views
Duplicate post - deleted *NM* - 09/12/2010 08:19:05 PM 599 Views
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You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... - 09/12/2010 08:03:51 PM 1333 Views
where this falls apart is that Daigian at a 10 is too weak - 09/12/2010 08:16:17 PM 1263 Views
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all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW - 11/12/2010 08:04:02 PM 1210 Views
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that's the point I'm making - 12/12/2010 12:58:38 AM 1013 Views
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OK. Here's the clear evidence of Dagian's, Moiraine's, Egwenes and Moghedien's comparative levels. - 10/12/2010 12:00:48 PM 1130 Views
"clear evidence" - 10/12/2010 01:27:01 PM 1182 Views
Laughable interpretation... - 10/12/2010 01:31:57 PM 1187 Views
Re: Laughable interpretation... - 10/12/2010 03:34:01 PM 1211 Views
Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... - 10/12/2010 04:27:30 PM 1132 Views
Doesn't the forkroot explain that? *NM* - 10/12/2010 04:47:53 PM 794 Views
couple of thoughts here - 10/12/2010 08:01:44 PM 1186 Views
Re: couple of thoughts here - 10/12/2010 11:27:19 PM 1104 Views
that's what I said! EDIT - 11/12/2010 04:03:59 PM 1005 Views
Well... - 11/12/2010 07:58:38 PM 1207 Views
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re-read the section my friend. EDIT - 12/12/2010 03:58:28 PM 1107 Views
Dude... - 12/12/2010 06:29:43 PM 1076 Views
did you read the quote? They discuss how much they gave her on the way to the Tower! - 12/12/2010 07:39:55 PM 1161 Views
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because it's the first time Egwene has been dosed with Forkroot - 13/12/2010 03:55:18 AM 1105 Views
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Re: Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. - 14/12/2010 11:06:55 AM 1015 Views
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Re: Well... - 14/12/2010 10:52:55 AM 1164 Views
Tell Darius that... - 14/12/2010 12:47:19 PM 1094 Views
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Re: Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... - 11/12/2010 07:31:25 AM 1299 Views
You forget... - 11/12/2010 08:02:03 PM 1220 Views
astounding "evidence" - 10/12/2010 09:58:47 PM 1214 Views
Re: astounding "evidence" - 11/12/2010 09:15:03 AM 1226 Views
thanks - 11/12/2010 03:54:54 PM 1361 Views
Re: thanks - 12/12/2010 12:49:52 PM 1067 Views
We're not in disagreement for the most part - 12/12/2010 04:23:02 PM 1050 Views
Re: We're not in disagreement for the most part - 12/12/2010 05:00:02 PM 1159 Views
I don't get the logic here... - 09/12/2010 09:41:18 PM 1210 Views
which was one of my first thoughts in reading the scene! *NM* - 09/12/2010 09:43:54 PM 853 Views
It doubles her strength. Nynaeve is only 50% stronger. So she only needs half of it to match Nynaeve - 09/12/2010 09:46:42 PM 1149 Views
And...? - 09/12/2010 09:51:57 PM 1153 Views
Personally, I thought it had something to do with not harming the babies. - 09/12/2010 10:01:10 PM 1070 Views
That was my interpretation too - 10/12/2010 04:36:38 AM 1123 Views
Re: That was my interpretation too - 10/12/2010 09:31:12 AM 1258 Views
what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene - 10/12/2010 04:12:34 PM 1226 Views
The oaths proposal is after the jailhouse break in the timeline - 10/12/2010 04:31:12 PM 1105 Views
*Double post, please delete* *NM* - 10/12/2010 04:35:54 PM 691 Views
And... - 10/12/2010 04:32:28 PM 1112 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene - 10/12/2010 04:41:25 PM 1126 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene - 10/12/2010 05:02:10 PM 1140 Views
and as a poster above points out the scene is AFTER she's stabbed - 10/12/2010 05:07:17 PM 1171 Views
Yes, I did know that. - 11/12/2010 04:06:00 PM 1160 Views
meant that response to go to Sidious ... sorry! - 11/12/2010 08:44:40 PM 1213 Views
Oops. *NM* - 10/12/2010 07:15:57 PM 756 Views
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We have very little to go on with the FS strengths... - 10/12/2010 09:04:33 PM 1239 Views
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Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken - 11/12/2010 07:29:30 AM 1357 Views
Help im new! - 13/12/2010 07:41:04 PM 1218 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. - 13/12/2010 09:56:45 PM 1325 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. - 13/12/2010 10:50:25 PM 1125 Views
How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? *NM* - 18/12/2010 02:53:22 PM 772 Views
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Look at the topic. As if we needed evidence that Elayne is weaker than the Foresaken. - 19/12/2010 04:41:25 AM 1094 Views
you misread the topic - 19/12/2010 05:30:26 AM 1234 Views
But the debate is moronic because... - 19/12/2010 05:43:07 AM 1090 Views

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