Wheel of Time Messageboard: Leane was shielded by two sisters as well by sleepinghour

Yes. Cannoli - 09/12/2010 04:39:58 PM 1446 Views

No. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:34:57 PM 1295 Views

Indeed! *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:39:47 PM 714 Views

Actually...exponential or at least non-linear makes alot of sense to me Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 06:27:29 PM 1227 Views

Nope. Then Rand would be able to crush 13 Aes Sedai with ease. Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:32:53 PM 1437 Views

Three things: Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 06:47:30 PM 1227 Views

That quote is incorrect as it contradicts all other evidence from later books... Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:51:02 PM 1201 Views

If strength isn't linear and on a steep enough curve that could work. Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 07:22:24 PM 1223 Views

I think that RJ's statement that the strongest man and strongest women were equal... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2010 03:23:12 PM 1140 Views

I wasn't aware this was an issue? LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:45:02 PM 1235 Views

I just hope aMoL finally reveals who's going to be the Dragon Reborn...these lesser debates can hang *NM* Cannoli - 09/12/2010 05:26:37 PM 786 Views

*Spoiler* TGS and TOM revealed that Egwene is the DR. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2010 07:57:53 PM 1024 Views

Agreed. Joel - 20/12/2010 01:17:32 AM 1317 Views

not really darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:46:42 PM 1224 Views

and you'll note that none of the angreal are considered particularly strong darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:48:14 PM 1166 Views

She probably weaved them separately on account of being pregnant *NM* Kieran - 09/12/2010 04:56:12 PM 766 Views

Pregnancy seems to be interfere with her ability to grasp the power darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:06:15 PM 1204 Views

I don't know if it's a more complex CHANNELING undertaking, though LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 05:42:57 PM 1112 Views

I don't have the book handy, but she talks about the level of complexity darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:45:52 PM 1225 Views

hmm, but we still don't know if it's the weaves or the process that is so complex LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 06:28:14 PM 1017 Views

Well according to Monaella it makes it harder to Channel, but from Elayne's POV darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 06:52:55 PM 1131 Views

Re: not really Zeratul - 09/12/2010 05:16:02 PM 1128 Views

Angreal have buffers moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:38:45 PM 1141 Views

none of them are very strong darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:38:49 PM 1128 Views

We never really get a feel for their relative strengths redqueen - 09/12/2010 05:51:38 PM 978 Views

Re: We never really get a feel for their relative strengths sleepinghour - 09/12/2010 10:00:23 PM 1271 Views

Exactly moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:36:52 AM 1311 Views

Yes. In PoD Aviendha states that the woman-wrapped-in-hair angreal almost doubles her strength... Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:30:41 PM 1166 Views

you have the wrong angreal and the wrong strength darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 07:07:18 PM 1130 Views

Nope. You are the one whose got the wrong angreal... Shannow - 09/12/2010 07:15:38 PM 950 Views

where is that quote my friend? darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:07:50 PM 1020 Views

PoD: The Breaking Storm Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:16:58 PM 951 Views

Ah yes, ... "almost 2x as much" still doesn't support your assertion that Nyn is 50% above Elayne darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:20:37 PM 1071 Views

That's a gross skewing of what that sentence means... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:05:05 PM 1095 Views

Don't be absurd... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:21:00 PM 1107 Views

Yes, but does BS know that? Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:26:10 PM 1049 Views

Nonsense... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:45:17 PM 1098 Views

she does not say that! she says Moghedien could kill her before she could react. so could Daigian darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:34:50 PM 1207 Views

"The only Aes Sedai who could hope to match one of the Forsaken was in Ebou Dar..." Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:44:25 PM 1205 Views

And yet... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:48:34 PM 1128 Views

No, Egwene does NOT think she can defeat Mesaana in a One Power battle... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:59:35 PM 1361 Views

Here are te quotes... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 10:10:09 PM 1124 Views

Did you not read the quote above, made by Egwene in the heat of battle with Mesaana? Shannow - 09/12/2010 10:34:05 PM 1151 Views

It might interest you to know that that was Katerine! fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 12:15:51 AM 949 Views

Oh nonsense Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:43:44 AM 1052 Views

But that's his point. Gher - 10/12/2010 06:01:59 AM 1065 Views

its a useless point Sidious - 10/12/2010 10:11:00 AM 1146 Views

Yes, utterly useless... Shannow - 10/12/2010 11:46:15 AM 1106 Views

Dude, you need to re-read the books... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:15:11 PM 1046 Views

he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:19:16 PM 1061 Views

Re: he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:21:49 AM 1117 Views

potentially, but Mesaana later turns up with BA using the 19 stolen ter'angreal. darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:41:41 PM 1023 Views

I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:11:56 PM 1004 Views

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I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:35:23 PM 1073 Views

What? fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 11:19:57 PM 1102 Views

Re: What? Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:20:19 AM 1103 Views

Oh boohoo... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 07:55:58 PM 1126 Views

Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 06:47:17 AM 976 Views

Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 06:47:18 AM 1093 Views

which only tells us that Nynaeve is equal to the Forsaken. Has nothing to do with Egwene being darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 01:51:12 PM 945 Views

Nynaeve has been channeling (albeit blocked) for close to 10 years darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 02:24:57 PM 1180 Views

Think about the logic of what you're proposing... Shannow - 10/12/2010 02:39:56 PM 1121 Views

It's what's in the friggin books! darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 03:33:08 PM 1104 Views

Duplicate post - deleted *NM* Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:19:05 PM 555 Views

Re: Yes. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:49:12 PM 1110 Views

You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:03:51 PM 1226 Views

where this falls apart is that Daigian at a 10 is too weak darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:16:17 PM 1168 Views

Nope... Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:44:51 PM 870 Views

now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say

darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:29:20 PM 964 Views

Nope... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:42:58 PM 1056 Views

all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:04:02 PM 1111 Views

Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW sleepinghour - 11/12/2010 11:59:55 PM 1043 Views

that's the point I'm making darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 12:58:38 AM 917 Views

I don't think Elayne was forced Zeratul - 12/12/2010 04:33:26 PM 1076 Views

I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:43:29 PM 856 Views

Re: I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:46:50 PM 1097 Views

Thanks for the quote Zeratul - 12/12/2010 07:17:30 PM 1158 Views

perhaps the opportunity hasn't arisen? And of course it's politic to appologize to the Amyrlin

darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:41:11 PM 1057 Views

Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW sleepinghour - 12/12/2010 08:04:21 PM 1080 Views

that's where I'm estimating Nynaeve being close to Siuan and Moiraine in EoTW darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 08:30:54 PM 1061 Views

Re: now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say

sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 01:17:10 AM 1255 Views

nope darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 02:05:00 PM 1191 Views

Mesaana Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:43:07 AM 954 Views

agreed darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 01:48:59 PM 1026 Views

Re: agreed Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:38:28 PM 898 Views

very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:03:43 PM 960 Views

Re: very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:22:54 AM 1130 Views

yes and no darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:47:28 PM 1099 Views

Re: You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:19:17 AM 1139 Views

OK. Here's the clear evidence of Dagian's, Moiraine's, Egwenes and Moghedien's comparative levels. Shannow - 10/12/2010 12:00:48 PM 995 Views

"clear evidence" moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 01:27:01 PM 1072 Views

Laughable interpretation... Shannow - 10/12/2010 01:31:57 PM 1094 Views

Re: Laughable interpretation... moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 03:34:01 PM 1114 Views

Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:27:30 PM 1058 Views

Doesn't the forkroot explain that?

*NM* Gher - 10/12/2010 04:47:53 PM 748 Views

couple of thoughts here darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:01:44 PM 1092 Views

Re: couple of thoughts here fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 11:27:19 PM 1016 Views

that's what I said! EDIT darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 04:03:59 PM 906 Views

Well... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 07:58:38 PM 1119 Views

Katerine is a pain in the ass and Silviana wasn't about to risk only one woman holding that shield darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:26:29 PM 962 Views

Leane was shielded by two sisters as well sleepinghour - 11/12/2010 11:14:08 PM 982 Views

I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 11:22:12 PM 999 Views

Re: I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells sleepinghour - 12/12/2010 12:04:33 AM 1103 Views

I agree with that completely. darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 01:03:54 AM 1028 Views

Oh... so we dismiss all quotes from people we don't like? fionwe1987 - 12/12/2010 05:18:42 AM 1105 Views

re-read the section my friend. EDIT darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 03:58:28 PM 998 Views

Dude... fionwe1987 - 12/12/2010 06:29:43 PM 979 Views

did you read the quote? They discuss how much they gave her on the way to the Tower! darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:39:55 PM 1056 Views

Not one of those things answers my rather simple question... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 02:27:44 AM 1059 Views

because it's the first time Egwene has been dosed with Forkroot darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 03:55:18 AM 1007 Views

She knows but she doesn't know? fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 05:35:55 AM 1067 Views

She knows that Nynaeve had told her it dampened her ability darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 05:13:23 PM 1014 Views

And she doesn't know any details... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 07:19:12 PM 1021 Views

this conversation is so pointless darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 10:43:35 PM 872 Views

Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 11:24:24 PM 897 Views

Re: Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. Sidious - 14/12/2010 11:06:55 AM 916 Views

Of course its obvious now! fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 12:44:59 PM 1108 Views

it was always obvious that to me. The first thing Egwene thinks is about what the drug does to her darius_sedai - 18/12/2010 05:07:38 AM 954 Views

Shielding Sidious - 13/12/2010 08:01:19 PM 2468 Views

Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 10:50:09 PM 1057 Views

Re: Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO Sidious - 14/12/2010 04:25:20 AM 1171 Views

There is, actually... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 11:28:42 PM 961 Views

Meh Sidious - 14/12/2010 04:22:45 AM 1056 Views

Well... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 04:37:50 AM 1089 Views

Re: Well... Sidious - 14/12/2010 10:52:55 AM 1062 Views

Tell Darius that... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 12:47:19 PM 987 Views

of course Katerine is redundant! 2 women of Barasine and Katerine's strength darius_sedai - 18/12/2010 05:00:50 AM 959 Views

Re: Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:31:25 AM 1197 Views

um, Elayne was in the process of bleeding to death and then had just been Healed darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:50:27 PM 1091 Views

You forget... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 08:02:03 PM 1116 Views

astounding "evidence" darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:58:47 PM 1111 Views

Re: astounding "evidence" The_Archer - 11/12/2010 09:15:03 AM 1121 Views

thanks darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:54:54 PM 1256 Views

Re: thanks The_Archer - 12/12/2010 12:49:52 PM 958 Views

We're not in disagreement for the most part darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:23:02 PM 950 Views

Re: We're not in disagreement for the most part The_Archer - 12/12/2010 05:00:02 PM 1055 Views

Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 05:13:46 PM 1072 Views

Re: Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken The_Archer - 12/12/2010 06:35:02 PM 1049 Views

All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:50:59 PM 1040 Views

Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:05:58 PM 1101 Views

Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:11:29 PM 1010 Views

Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:14:47 PM 1070 Views

I don't get the logic here... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:41:18 PM 1103 Views

which was one of my first thoughts in reading the scene! *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:43:54 PM 814 Views

It doubles her strength. Nynaeve is only 50% stronger. So she only needs half of it to match Nynaeve Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:46:42 PM 1060 Views

And...? fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:51:57 PM 1063 Views

Personally, I thought it had something to do with not harming the babies. Shannow - 09/12/2010 10:01:10 PM 970 Views

That was my interpretation too Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:36:38 AM 1009 Views

Re: That was my interpretation too moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:31:12 AM 1158 Views

what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 04:12:34 PM 1134 Views

The oaths proposal is after the jailhouse break in the timeline Zeratul - 10/12/2010 04:31:12 PM 1002 Views

*Double post, please delete* *NM* Zeratul - 10/12/2010 04:35:54 PM 652 Views

You are correct! So clearly worry about the babies was not a reason to not draw more darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:05:30 PM 997 Views

And... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:32:28 PM 1027 Views

Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:41:25 PM 1024 Views

Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 05:02:10 PM 1042 Views

and as a poster above points out the scene is AFTER she's stabbed darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:07:17 PM 1070 Views

Yes, I did know that. moratcorlm - 11/12/2010 04:06:00 PM 1052 Views

meant that response to go to Sidious ... sorry! darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:44:40 PM 1115 Views

Oops. *NM* moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 07:15:57 PM 708 Views

Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 08:22:21 PM 973 Views

Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 08:33:25 PM 1055 Views

We have very little to go on with the FS strengths... darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:04:33 PM 1129 Views

Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:12:12 PM 938 Views

they can actually sense both which is how Elayne knows Nynaeve is not at full potential darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:22:35 PM 1096 Views

Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:31:13 PM 1109 Views

Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 10:08:16 PM 1003 Views

Re: Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around The_Archer - 10/12/2010 10:50:32 PM 1118 Views

It's more than just fear of Moridin that makes her choose an attack from such a distance darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 11:10:57 PM 984 Views

Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 10:50:20 PM 1087 Views

Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:29:30 AM 1253 Views

Help im new! The_Archer - 13/12/2010 07:41:04 PM 1120 Views

Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. The Angry Druid - 13/12/2010 09:56:45 PM 1214 Views

Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. The_Archer - 13/12/2010 10:50:25 PM 1016 Views

How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? *NM* Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:53:22 PM 726 Views

Re: How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? Sidious - 18/12/2010 08:21:24 PM 1004 Views

Look at the topic. As if we needed evidence that Elayne is weaker than the Foresaken. Lord Haart - 19/12/2010 04:41:25 AM 1008 Views

you misread the topic Sidious - 19/12/2010 05:30:26 AM 1128 Views

But the debate is moronic because... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2010 05:43:07 AM 987 Views

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