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Nynaeve has been channeling (albeit blocked) for close to 10 years darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 10/12/2010 02:24:57 PM
and as early as TGH she was already at Moiraine or so level. She progressed rapidly in strength over the next two books before her confrontation with Moghedien. Much like Rand progressed from not Channeling at all at the beginning of EoTW to being stronger than Aginor by the end! It's called RJ changing the rules as it suited him.

I postulate that Nynaeve, at full strength, is about a 96, Moghedien is probably 88, that means Nynaeve would have been just a bit over 90% of her full potential when she faced Moghedien and also allows for the "Alivia is considerably stronger" quote a few months later if Alivia is a 99, when Nynaeve's current strength was say 90 (about where I have Mesaana).

If an average AS is between a 24-30 and Moiraine a 45 that puts the Wondergirls at 80 and still allows for the various strength defining quotes as well as the actual actions these women can perform.

It also explains why we have only met 3 Aiel, 2 WF and 1 Seanchan who can match or exceed Elayne's strength. If they were only a 50 that would put them at the height of the bell curve and we would be seeing dozens of women in their strength range. The fact that we do not is indicative of them being far closer to the FS end of the strength curve.

Another thing to ask yourself... why would RJ have made these main protagonists so much weaker? The plot alone demands them to be just shy of FS strength and well above AS or they would be minor players. You can say Elayne and Egwene needed to be just above AS to make them stand out, but Aviendha? From a culture that doesn't care about her strength? Why make her just a very strong AS level Channeler? It makes no sense if you really think about it.
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More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken - 09/12/2010 03:45:27 PM 3228 Views
Yes. - 09/12/2010 04:39:58 PM 1543 Views
No. - 09/12/2010 05:34:57 PM 1396 Views
Indeed! *NM* - 09/12/2010 05:39:47 PM 754 Views
Actually...exponential or at least non-linear makes alot of sense to me - 09/12/2010 06:27:29 PM 1306 Views
Nope. Then Rand would be able to crush 13 Aes Sedai with ease. - 09/12/2010 06:32:53 PM 1539 Views
Three things: - 09/12/2010 06:47:30 PM 1334 Views
I think that RJ's statement that the strongest man and strongest women were equal... - 10/12/2010 03:23:12 PM 1235 Views
I wasn't aware this was an issue? - 09/12/2010 04:45:02 PM 1352 Views
Agreed. - 20/12/2010 01:17:32 AM 1411 Views
not really - 09/12/2010 04:46:42 PM 1328 Views
and you'll note that none of the angreal are considered particularly strong - 09/12/2010 04:48:14 PM 1266 Views
She probably weaved them separately on account of being pregnant *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:56:12 PM 808 Views
Pregnancy seems to be interfere with her ability to grasp the power - 09/12/2010 05:06:15 PM 1301 Views
I don't know if it's a more complex CHANNELING undertaking, though - 09/12/2010 05:42:57 PM 1219 Views
Re: not really - 09/12/2010 05:16:02 PM 1232 Views
Angreal have buffers - 09/12/2010 05:38:45 PM 1254 Views
none of them are very strong - 09/12/2010 05:38:49 PM 1225 Views
We never really get a feel for their relative strengths - 09/12/2010 05:51:38 PM 1141 Views
Re: We never really get a feel for their relative strengths - 09/12/2010 10:00:23 PM 1378 Views
Exactly - 10/12/2010 09:36:52 AM 1402 Views
Yes. In PoD Aviendha states that the woman-wrapped-in-hair angreal almost doubles her strength... - 09/12/2010 06:30:41 PM 1262 Views
you have the wrong angreal and the wrong strength - 09/12/2010 07:07:18 PM 1245 Views
Nope. You are the one whose got the wrong angreal... - 09/12/2010 07:15:38 PM 1046 Views
where is that quote my friend? - 09/12/2010 08:07:50 PM 1111 Views
PoD: The Breaking Storm - 09/12/2010 08:16:58 PM 1060 Views
Ah yes, ... "almost 2x as much" still doesn't support your assertion that Nyn is 50% above Elayne - 09/12/2010 08:20:37 PM 1205 Views
That's a gross skewing of what that sentence means... - 09/12/2010 09:05:05 PM 1221 Views
Don't be absurd... - 09/12/2010 09:21:00 PM 1214 Views
Yes, but does BS know that? - 09/12/2010 09:26:10 PM 1155 Views
Nonsense... - 09/12/2010 09:45:17 PM 1180 Views
she does not say that! she says Moghedien could kill her before she could react. so could Daigian - 09/12/2010 09:34:50 PM 1288 Views
"The only Aes Sedai who could hope to match one of the Forsaken was in Ebou Dar..." - 09/12/2010 09:44:25 PM 1311 Views
And yet... - 09/12/2010 09:48:34 PM 1222 Views
No, Egwene does NOT think she can defeat Mesaana in a One Power battle... - 09/12/2010 09:59:35 PM 1459 Views
Here are te quotes... - 09/12/2010 10:10:09 PM 1254 Views
Did you not read the quote above, made by Egwene in the heat of battle with Mesaana? - 09/12/2010 10:34:05 PM 1258 Views
It might interest you to know that that was Katerine! - 10/12/2010 12:15:51 AM 1071 Views
Oh nonsense - 10/12/2010 04:43:44 AM 1152 Views
But that's his point. - 10/12/2010 06:01:59 AM 1157 Views
its a useless point - 10/12/2010 10:11:00 AM 1254 Views
Yes, utterly useless... - 10/12/2010 11:46:15 AM 1200 Views
Dude, you need to re-read the books... - 10/12/2010 04:15:11 PM 1151 Views
he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true - 10/12/2010 08:19:16 PM 1163 Views
Re: he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true - 11/12/2010 07:21:49 AM 1225 Views
I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... - 10/12/2010 04:11:56 PM 1118 Views
Re: I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... - 10/12/2010 04:35:23 PM 1186 Views
What? - 10/12/2010 11:19:57 PM 1240 Views
Re: What? - 11/12/2010 07:20:19 AM 1200 Views
Oh boohoo... - 11/12/2010 07:55:58 PM 1220 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. - 10/12/2010 06:47:17 AM 1083 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. - 10/12/2010 06:47:18 AM 1208 Views
Nynaeve has been channeling (albeit blocked) for close to 10 years - 10/12/2010 02:24:57 PM 1298 Views
Think about the logic of what you're proposing... - 10/12/2010 02:39:56 PM 1243 Views
It's what's in the friggin books! - 10/12/2010 03:33:08 PM 1210 Views
Duplicate post - deleted *NM* - 09/12/2010 08:19:05 PM 599 Views
Re: Yes. - 09/12/2010 07:49:12 PM 1235 Views
You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... - 09/12/2010 08:03:51 PM 1336 Views
where this falls apart is that Daigian at a 10 is too weak - 09/12/2010 08:16:17 PM 1266 Views
Nope... - 09/12/2010 08:44:51 PM 971 Views
now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say - 09/12/2010 09:29:20 PM 1086 Views
Nope... - 09/12/2010 09:42:58 PM 1162 Views
all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW - 11/12/2010 08:04:02 PM 1213 Views
Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW - 11/12/2010 11:59:55 PM 1145 Views
that's the point I'm making - 12/12/2010 12:58:38 AM 1015 Views
I don't think Elayne was forced - 12/12/2010 04:33:26 PM 1184 Views
Re: now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say - 10/12/2010 01:17:10 AM 1363 Views
nope - 10/12/2010 02:05:00 PM 1295 Views
Mesaana - 10/12/2010 04:43:07 AM 1055 Views
agreed - 10/12/2010 01:48:59 PM 1124 Views
Re: agreed - 10/12/2010 04:38:28 PM 988 Views
very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother - 10/12/2010 05:03:43 PM 1073 Views
Re: very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother - 11/12/2010 07:22:54 AM 1245 Views
yes and no - 11/12/2010 03:47:28 PM 1201 Views
Re: You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... - 10/12/2010 09:19:17 AM 1247 Views
OK. Here's the clear evidence of Dagian's, Moiraine's, Egwenes and Moghedien's comparative levels. - 10/12/2010 12:00:48 PM 1133 Views
"clear evidence" - 10/12/2010 01:27:01 PM 1185 Views
Laughable interpretation... - 10/12/2010 01:31:57 PM 1190 Views
Re: Laughable interpretation... - 10/12/2010 03:34:01 PM 1214 Views
Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... - 10/12/2010 04:27:30 PM 1133 Views
Doesn't the forkroot explain that? *NM* - 10/12/2010 04:47:53 PM 794 Views
couple of thoughts here - 10/12/2010 08:01:44 PM 1188 Views
Re: couple of thoughts here - 10/12/2010 11:27:19 PM 1107 Views
that's what I said! EDIT - 11/12/2010 04:03:59 PM 1008 Views
Well... - 11/12/2010 07:58:38 PM 1210 Views
Katerine is a pain in the ass and Silviana wasn't about to risk only one woman holding that shield - 11/12/2010 08:26:29 PM 1060 Views
Leane was shielded by two sisters as well - 11/12/2010 11:14:08 PM 1084 Views
I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells - 11/12/2010 11:22:12 PM 1111 Views
Re: I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells - 12/12/2010 12:04:33 AM 1204 Views
I agree with that completely. - 12/12/2010 01:03:54 AM 1140 Views
Oh... so we dismiss all quotes from people we don't like? - 12/12/2010 05:18:42 AM 1208 Views
re-read the section my friend. EDIT - 12/12/2010 03:58:28 PM 1110 Views
Dude... - 12/12/2010 06:29:43 PM 1078 Views
did you read the quote? They discuss how much they gave her on the way to the Tower! - 12/12/2010 07:39:55 PM 1165 Views
Not one of those things answers my rather simple question... - 13/12/2010 02:27:44 AM 1174 Views
because it's the first time Egwene has been dosed with Forkroot - 13/12/2010 03:55:18 AM 1108 Views
She knows but she doesn't know? - 13/12/2010 05:35:55 AM 1178 Views
She knows that Nynaeve had told her it dampened her ability - 13/12/2010 05:13:23 PM 1115 Views
And she doesn't know any details... - 13/12/2010 07:19:12 PM 1128 Views
this conversation is so pointless - 13/12/2010 10:43:35 PM 996 Views
Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. - 13/12/2010 11:24:24 PM 989 Views
Re: Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. - 14/12/2010 11:06:55 AM 1018 Views
Of course its obvious now! - 14/12/2010 12:44:59 PM 1222 Views
Shielding - 13/12/2010 08:01:19 PM 2569 Views
Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO - 13/12/2010 10:50:09 PM 1159 Views
There is, actually... - 13/12/2010 11:28:42 PM 1063 Views
Meh - 14/12/2010 04:22:45 AM 1174 Views
Well... - 14/12/2010 04:37:50 AM 1199 Views
Re: Well... - 14/12/2010 10:52:55 AM 1166 Views
Tell Darius that... - 14/12/2010 12:47:19 PM 1097 Views
of course Katerine is redundant! 2 women of Barasine and Katerine's strength - 18/12/2010 05:00:50 AM 1064 Views
Re: Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... - 11/12/2010 07:31:25 AM 1301 Views
You forget... - 11/12/2010 08:02:03 PM 1222 Views
astounding "evidence" - 10/12/2010 09:58:47 PM 1216 Views
Re: astounding "evidence" - 11/12/2010 09:15:03 AM 1228 Views
thanks - 11/12/2010 03:54:54 PM 1363 Views
Re: thanks - 12/12/2010 12:49:52 PM 1070 Views
We're not in disagreement for the most part - 12/12/2010 04:23:02 PM 1053 Views
Re: We're not in disagreement for the most part - 12/12/2010 05:00:02 PM 1162 Views
I don't get the logic here... - 09/12/2010 09:41:18 PM 1213 Views
which was one of my first thoughts in reading the scene! *NM* - 09/12/2010 09:43:54 PM 853 Views
It doubles her strength. Nynaeve is only 50% stronger. So she only needs half of it to match Nynaeve - 09/12/2010 09:46:42 PM 1152 Views
And...? - 09/12/2010 09:51:57 PM 1155 Views
Personally, I thought it had something to do with not harming the babies. - 09/12/2010 10:01:10 PM 1072 Views
That was my interpretation too - 10/12/2010 04:36:38 AM 1126 Views
Re: That was my interpretation too - 10/12/2010 09:31:12 AM 1259 Views
what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene - 10/12/2010 04:12:34 PM 1228 Views
The oaths proposal is after the jailhouse break in the timeline - 10/12/2010 04:31:12 PM 1108 Views
*Double post, please delete* *NM* - 10/12/2010 04:35:54 PM 692 Views
And... - 10/12/2010 04:32:28 PM 1114 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene - 10/12/2010 04:41:25 PM 1128 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene - 10/12/2010 05:02:10 PM 1143 Views
and as a poster above points out the scene is AFTER she's stabbed - 10/12/2010 05:07:17 PM 1174 Views
Yes, I did know that. - 11/12/2010 04:06:00 PM 1163 Views
meant that response to go to Sidious ... sorry! - 11/12/2010 08:44:40 PM 1214 Views
Oops. *NM* - 10/12/2010 07:15:57 PM 756 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken - 10/12/2010 08:22:21 PM 1095 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken - 10/12/2010 08:33:25 PM 1154 Views
We have very little to go on with the FS strengths... - 10/12/2010 09:04:33 PM 1242 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken - 10/12/2010 09:31:13 PM 1229 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken - 10/12/2010 10:50:20 PM 1202 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken - 11/12/2010 07:29:30 AM 1360 Views
Help im new! - 13/12/2010 07:41:04 PM 1220 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. - 13/12/2010 09:56:45 PM 1327 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. - 13/12/2010 10:50:25 PM 1127 Views
How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? *NM* - 18/12/2010 02:53:22 PM 773 Views
Re: How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? - 18/12/2010 08:21:24 PM 1075 Views
Look at the topic. As if we needed evidence that Elayne is weaker than the Foresaken. - 19/12/2010 04:41:25 AM 1097 Views
you misread the topic - 19/12/2010 05:30:26 AM 1236 Views
But the debate is moronic because... - 19/12/2010 05:43:07 AM 1092 Views

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