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none of them are very strong darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 05:38:49 PM
It is mentioned in the text that Elayne drew through the angreal "as much of the One Power into her as she dared". So most likely she reached the limit of the angreal.

As for the shielding part, two of the BA were already holding saidar, which makes it much more difficult to shield them. I am not sure how strong those 3 BA were (if it's even mentioned anywhere), but my guess is that they are strong enough for the 3 way splitting not to be an option even with a weak angreal used at its maximum.


"middle" at best from what we know of them ... "as much as she dared" seems to imply that if she drew more the angreal would make her way too strong to be realistic! She was making an educated guess on how strong one of the FS would be and holding about that much Power. Given the overall strength of the angreal it seems clear to me that she drew on it only enough to be somewhere between Moghedien and Nynaeve, but with room left to be stronger than any woman should be able too be.

If she drew too strongly on it it's possible the angreal would have made her strong enough to be figured out... and she never mentions "all the amazing amount of saidar she was holding" like she has in the past when she's been greatly enhanced.

Also it is fairly certain that Elayne has yet to reach her full potential, especially since she hasn't been able to Channel as much in the last few books. So any enhancement she may have had with the angreal is still not as quantifiable if she's say only 80% of her own potential.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:45:27 PM 3110 Views
Yes. Cannoli - 09/12/2010 04:39:58 PM 1448 Views
No. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:34:57 PM 1297 Views
Indeed! *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:39:47 PM 717 Views
Actually...exponential or at least non-linear makes alot of sense to me Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 06:27:29 PM 1229 Views
Nope. Then Rand would be able to crush 13 Aes Sedai with ease. Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:32:53 PM 1440 Views
Three things: Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 06:47:30 PM 1231 Views
That quote is incorrect as it contradicts all other evidence from later books... Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:51:02 PM 1205 Views
If strength isn't linear and on a steep enough curve that could work. Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 07:22:24 PM 1229 Views
I think that RJ's statement that the strongest man and strongest women were equal... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2010 03:23:12 PM 1143 Views
I wasn't aware this was an issue? LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:45:02 PM 1238 Views
I just hope aMoL finally reveals who's going to be the Dragon Reborn...these lesser debates can hang *NM* Cannoli - 09/12/2010 05:26:37 PM 789 Views
*Spoiler* TGS and TOM revealed that Egwene is the DR. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2010 07:57:53 PM 1030 Views
Agreed. Joel - 20/12/2010 01:17:32 AM 1323 Views
not really darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:46:42 PM 1225 Views
and you'll note that none of the angreal are considered particularly strong darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:48:14 PM 1176 Views
She probably weaved them separately on account of being pregnant *NM* Kieran - 09/12/2010 04:56:12 PM 768 Views
Pregnancy seems to be interfere with her ability to grasp the power darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:06:15 PM 1207 Views
I don't know if it's a more complex CHANNELING undertaking, though LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 05:42:57 PM 1113 Views
I don't have the book handy, but she talks about the level of complexity darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:45:52 PM 1227 Views
hmm, but we still don't know if it's the weaves or the process that is so complex LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 06:28:14 PM 1018 Views
Well according to Monaella it makes it harder to Channel, but from Elayne's POV darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 06:52:55 PM 1134 Views
Re: not really Zeratul - 09/12/2010 05:16:02 PM 1134 Views
Angreal have buffers moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:38:45 PM 1143 Views
none of them are very strong darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:38:49 PM 1133 Views
We never really get a feel for their relative strengths redqueen - 09/12/2010 05:51:38 PM 986 Views
Re: We never really get a feel for their relative strengths sleepinghour - 09/12/2010 10:00:23 PM 1277 Views
Exactly moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:36:52 AM 1315 Views
Yes. In PoD Aviendha states that the woman-wrapped-in-hair angreal almost doubles her strength... Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:30:41 PM 1169 Views
you have the wrong angreal and the wrong strength darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 07:07:18 PM 1135 Views
Nope. You are the one whose got the wrong angreal... Shannow - 09/12/2010 07:15:38 PM 955 Views
where is that quote my friend? darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:07:50 PM 1024 Views
PoD: The Breaking Storm Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:16:58 PM 957 Views
Ah yes, ... "almost 2x as much" still doesn't support your assertion that Nyn is 50% above Elayne darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:20:37 PM 1082 Views
That's a gross skewing of what that sentence means... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:05:05 PM 1100 Views
Don't be absurd... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:21:00 PM 1110 Views
Yes, but does BS know that? Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:26:10 PM 1056 Views
Nonsense... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:45:17 PM 1100 Views
she does not say that! she says Moghedien could kill her before she could react. so could Daigian darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:34:50 PM 1213 Views
"The only Aes Sedai who could hope to match one of the Forsaken was in Ebou Dar..." Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:44:25 PM 1208 Views
And yet... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:48:34 PM 1132 Views
No, Egwene does NOT think she can defeat Mesaana in a One Power battle... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:59:35 PM 1363 Views
Here are te quotes... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 10:10:09 PM 1134 Views
Did you not read the quote above, made by Egwene in the heat of battle with Mesaana? Shannow - 09/12/2010 10:34:05 PM 1163 Views
It might interest you to know that that was Katerine! fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 12:15:51 AM 954 Views
Oh nonsense Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:43:44 AM 1057 Views
But that's his point. Gher - 10/12/2010 06:01:59 AM 1067 Views
its a useless point Sidious - 10/12/2010 10:11:00 AM 1149 Views
Yes, utterly useless... Shannow - 10/12/2010 11:46:15 AM 1111 Views
Dude, you need to re-read the books... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:15:11 PM 1052 Views
he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:19:16 PM 1065 Views
Re: he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:21:49 AM 1121 Views
potentially, but Mesaana later turns up with BA using the 19 stolen ter'angreal. darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:41:41 PM 1031 Views
I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:11:56 PM 1011 Views
Re: I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:35:23 PM 1079 Views
What? fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 11:19:57 PM 1104 Views
Re: What? Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:20:19 AM 1107 Views
Oh boohoo... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 07:55:58 PM 1130 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 06:47:17 AM 978 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 06:47:18 AM 1095 Views
which only tells us that Nynaeve is equal to the Forsaken. Has nothing to do with Egwene being darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 01:51:12 PM 947 Views
Nynaeve has been channeling (albeit blocked) for close to 10 years darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 02:24:57 PM 1183 Views
Think about the logic of what you're proposing... Shannow - 10/12/2010 02:39:56 PM 1126 Views
It's what's in the friggin books! darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 03:33:08 PM 1110 Views
Duplicate post - deleted *NM* Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:19:05 PM 556 Views
Re: Yes. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:49:12 PM 1116 Views
You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:03:51 PM 1231 Views
where this falls apart is that Daigian at a 10 is too weak darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:16:17 PM 1174 Views
Nope... Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:44:51 PM 873 Views
now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:29:20 PM 969 Views
Nope... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:42:58 PM 1062 Views
all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:04:02 PM 1116 Views
Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW sleepinghour - 11/12/2010 11:59:55 PM 1048 Views
that's the point I'm making darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 12:58:38 AM 920 Views
I don't think Elayne was forced Zeratul - 12/12/2010 04:33:26 PM 1080 Views
I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:43:29 PM 858 Views
Re: I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:46:50 PM 1099 Views
Thanks for the quote Zeratul - 12/12/2010 07:17:30 PM 1161 Views
perhaps the opportunity hasn't arisen? And of course it's politic to appologize to the Amyrlin darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:41:11 PM 1059 Views
Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW sleepinghour - 12/12/2010 08:04:21 PM 1087 Views
that's where I'm estimating Nynaeve being close to Siuan and Moiraine in EoTW darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 08:30:54 PM 1063 Views
Re: now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 01:17:10 AM 1259 Views
nope darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 02:05:00 PM 1194 Views
Mesaana Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:43:07 AM 959 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 01:48:59 PM 1029 Views
Re: agreed Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:38:28 PM 899 Views
very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:03:43 PM 966 Views
Re: very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:22:54 AM 1133 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:47:28 PM 1102 Views
Re: You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:19:17 AM 1142 Views
OK. Here's the clear evidence of Dagian's, Moiraine's, Egwenes and Moghedien's comparative levels. Shannow - 10/12/2010 12:00:48 PM 1005 Views
"clear evidence" moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 01:27:01 PM 1079 Views
Laughable interpretation... Shannow - 10/12/2010 01:31:57 PM 1097 Views
Re: Laughable interpretation... moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 03:34:01 PM 1118 Views
Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:27:30 PM 1063 Views
Doesn't the forkroot explain that? *NM* Gher - 10/12/2010 04:47:53 PM 750 Views
couple of thoughts here darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:01:44 PM 1094 Views
Re: couple of thoughts here fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 11:27:19 PM 1020 Views
that's what I said! EDIT darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 04:03:59 PM 908 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 07:58:38 PM 1121 Views
Katerine is a pain in the ass and Silviana wasn't about to risk only one woman holding that shield darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:26:29 PM 965 Views
Leane was shielded by two sisters as well sleepinghour - 11/12/2010 11:14:08 PM 989 Views
I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 11:22:12 PM 1002 Views
Re: I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells sleepinghour - 12/12/2010 12:04:33 AM 1108 Views
I agree with that completely. darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 01:03:54 AM 1036 Views
Oh... so we dismiss all quotes from people we don't like? fionwe1987 - 12/12/2010 05:18:42 AM 1108 Views
re-read the section my friend. EDIT darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 03:58:28 PM 1003 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 12/12/2010 06:29:43 PM 984 Views
did you read the quote? They discuss how much they gave her on the way to the Tower! darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:39:55 PM 1059 Views
Not one of those things answers my rather simple question... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 02:27:44 AM 1064 Views
because it's the first time Egwene has been dosed with Forkroot darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 03:55:18 AM 1010 Views
She knows but she doesn't know? fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 05:35:55 AM 1076 Views
She knows that Nynaeve had told her it dampened her ability darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 05:13:23 PM 1016 Views
And she doesn't know any details... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 07:19:12 PM 1023 Views
this conversation is so pointless darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 10:43:35 PM 876 Views
Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 11:24:24 PM 898 Views
Re: Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. Sidious - 14/12/2010 11:06:55 AM 919 Views
Of course its obvious now! fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 12:44:59 PM 1111 Views
it was always obvious that to me. The first thing Egwene thinks is about what the drug does to her darius_sedai - 18/12/2010 05:07:38 AM 959 Views
Shielding Sidious - 13/12/2010 08:01:19 PM 2475 Views
Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 10:50:09 PM 1062 Views
Re: Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO Sidious - 14/12/2010 04:25:20 AM 1181 Views
There is, actually... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 11:28:42 PM 965 Views
Meh Sidious - 14/12/2010 04:22:45 AM 1061 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 04:37:50 AM 1094 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 14/12/2010 10:52:55 AM 1064 Views
Tell Darius that... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 12:47:19 PM 990 Views
of course Katerine is redundant! 2 women of Barasine and Katerine's strength darius_sedai - 18/12/2010 05:00:50 AM 964 Views
Re: Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:31:25 AM 1200 Views
um, Elayne was in the process of bleeding to death and then had just been Healed darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:50:27 PM 1095 Views
You forget... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 08:02:03 PM 1122 Views
astounding "evidence" darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:58:47 PM 1114 Views
Re: astounding "evidence" The_Archer - 11/12/2010 09:15:03 AM 1126 Views
thanks darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:54:54 PM 1259 Views
Re: thanks The_Archer - 12/12/2010 12:49:52 PM 961 Views
We're not in disagreement for the most part darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:23:02 PM 952 Views
Re: We're not in disagreement for the most part The_Archer - 12/12/2010 05:00:02 PM 1059 Views
Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 05:13:46 PM 1075 Views
Re: Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken The_Archer - 12/12/2010 06:35:02 PM 1052 Views
All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:50:59 PM 1045 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:05:58 PM 1108 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:11:29 PM 1015 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:14:47 PM 1076 Views
I don't get the logic here... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:41:18 PM 1106 Views
which was one of my first thoughts in reading the scene! *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:43:54 PM 815 Views
It doubles her strength. Nynaeve is only 50% stronger. So she only needs half of it to match Nynaeve Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:46:42 PM 1063 Views
And...? fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:51:57 PM 1067 Views
Personally, I thought it had something to do with not harming the babies. Shannow - 09/12/2010 10:01:10 PM 972 Views
That was my interpretation too Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:36:38 AM 1015 Views
Re: That was my interpretation too moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:31:12 AM 1167 Views
what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 04:12:34 PM 1135 Views
The oaths proposal is after the jailhouse break in the timeline Zeratul - 10/12/2010 04:31:12 PM 1006 Views
*Double post, please delete* *NM* Zeratul - 10/12/2010 04:35:54 PM 654 Views
You are correct! So clearly worry about the babies was not a reason to not draw more darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:05:30 PM 1001 Views
And... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:32:28 PM 1030 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:41:25 PM 1030 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 05:02:10 PM 1043 Views
and as a poster above points out the scene is AFTER she's stabbed darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:07:17 PM 1075 Views
Yes, I did know that. moratcorlm - 11/12/2010 04:06:00 PM 1060 Views
meant that response to go to Sidious ... sorry! darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:44:40 PM 1122 Views
Oops. *NM* moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 07:15:57 PM 711 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 08:22:21 PM 976 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 08:33:25 PM 1059 Views
We have very little to go on with the FS strengths... darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:04:33 PM 1132 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:12:12 PM 943 Views
they can actually sense both which is how Elayne knows Nynaeve is not at full potential darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:22:35 PM 1098 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:31:13 PM 1115 Views
Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 10:08:16 PM 1007 Views
Re: Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around The_Archer - 10/12/2010 10:50:32 PM 1121 Views
It's more than just fear of Moridin that makes her choose an attack from such a distance darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 11:10:57 PM 989 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 10:50:20 PM 1092 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:29:30 AM 1257 Views
Help im new! The_Archer - 13/12/2010 07:41:04 PM 1122 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. The Angry Druid - 13/12/2010 09:56:45 PM 1217 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. The_Archer - 13/12/2010 10:50:25 PM 1022 Views
How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? *NM* Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:53:22 PM 729 Views
Re: How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? Sidious - 18/12/2010 08:21:24 PM 1007 Views
Look at the topic. As if we needed evidence that Elayne is weaker than the Foresaken. Lord Haart - 19/12/2010 04:41:25 AM 1010 Views
you misread the topic Sidious - 19/12/2010 05:30:26 AM 1135 Views
But the debate is moronic because... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2010 05:43:07 AM 990 Views
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