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I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 04:34:23 PM

I wonder how they raised people in the AOL? Rand refers to himself being properly raised.


That Lews Therin was apprenticed to Lanfear?


She was a full fledged Aes Sedai researcher when he was a promising student


The story line is that LTT and Lanfear dated while they were young students "just learning about their abilities".

LTT was a world leader and broke up with Mieren because she loved his position more than she loved him.
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Actually, it's extremely unlikely Mierin was still LTT's lover when he rose to a leadership position, given his age at the Sealing. A woman as ambitious as Mierin would long have forced LTT to marry her if they were together for decades or centuries (neither of them really sound as if they're a real old couple, beside. It's rather all very "adolescent". It's even that appearance Lanfear used to approach Rand at first, the way she looked in her youth, when she dated LTT)

The way LTT spoke of the relationship, it began and ended in their youth. Lanfear latched on the strongest man of his generation, and eventually he realized she was not loving him for himself, but saw only his strength and skills as tools to make herself the greatest AS of the Age (and her career suggests strongly that despite her strength Lanfear didn't have the talent and human skills, and the dedication to work hard to get what she wanted probably, nor the mentality for selfless service that was a way to climb socially in the AOL, to become of the great AS of her Age). So LTT put an end to the relationship.

When LTT said Mierin loved power, he seemed to speak even more of the OP than social/political power. That makes sense, because this remains the obsession of Lanfear's life. The strongest man of the Age, her obsession with this new source of power, her obsession in the series with the CK and san'angreal etc. Lanfear was a middling scientist among geniuses as the most advanced research center. She didn't seem interested one bit in politics. She's not Barid Bel Medar. Her obsession with power is more a god-complex.

Many feel LTT was the bad guy in this, but now that we know his age, there seems to be another story there. LTT was deeply in love with Mierin, and realizing she didn't love him but was using him broke his heart. We can't know for sure, but what happened with Lanfear seems to have driven him away from (at least serious) relationships, until he met Ilyena centuries later. Until Ilyena, he may have feared the Mierins/Berelains too much to let himself fall in love.

That may be what spited Mierin so much: his loneliness pleased her ego, as he had never replaced her, until he finally met Ilyena and married her 50 years before the WOS.




I'm not so sure about that. Graendal mocked Lanfear by saying that when Lews Therin said carpet, she'd throw herself down and he'd squash her little tantrums. I'd be surprised if Graendal was referring to a relationship 350 years before that. It seemed almost recent.

And to be honest, I don't think even a psychopath like Lanfear could carry around centuries of lusty angst. That would burn out even the worst stalker. I tend to think that he dumped Lanfear about ten years before he met Ilyena, or something to that effect.

How long could Lews Therin really have been powerful enough to attract Lanfear? We know that Aes Sedai younger than 200 were considered young, and I doubt that he was successful for his whole life. IMO its most likely she started with the heavy flirting when he started to become a prodigious Aes Sedai, perhaps at the age of 300 or so, about 50 years before the Collapse started. To that end I also can't imagine him dating her for longer than a year (at the most). Her lust for power is not subtle at all.


Given LTT was 400 when he died, and had children with Ilyena it's likely they had been together for quiet some time. Which means Lanfear and LTT had been broken up for probably a very long time by the time he died. Give that Graendal was a world figure and new of the LTT/Lanfear relationship and may have even witnessed some of it, it seems probable that LTT was already on the rise when they date. Meaning they were either together for quiet some time in their youth and he only began to realize her lust for power when he actually attained it, or they had a brief relationship once he had already begun to rise. The second option doesn't seem to fit as well IMO since his memories seem to indicate they were together in their youth.
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Nynaeve's stupidity and the test for Aes Sedai Sidious - 07/12/2010 08:27:05 PM 4316 Views
Just like all women. Great Lord of Chaos - 07/12/2010 09:15:12 PM 1189 Views
Way to totally misunderstand the chapter Icarium - 07/12/2010 09:39:08 PM 1670 Views
I second this redhand - 07/12/2010 10:10:24 PM 1358 Views
your bold is stuck. *NM* LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:21:22 PM 578 Views
He BOLDLY seconded it... *NM* HyogaRott - 08/12/2010 03:04:33 PM 553 Views
which is quite excellent. I was just leting him know *NM* LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 03:28:24 PM 463 Views
I think that statement says it all. LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:19:50 PM 1390 Views
Thanks. That's exactly what I think. ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 08/12/2010 08:29:28 AM 1253 Views
+1, well said *NM* Lord Haart - 08/12/2010 11:19:29 AM 515 Views
Agrees *NM* Onarishma - 09/12/2010 03:27:53 PM 965 Views
Yes, the OP totally whiffed here. Nyn couldn't remember.. The Angry Druid - 11/12/2010 01:50:11 AM 1208 Views
On the whole, the test is innappropriate IMO DomA - 07/12/2010 09:40:08 PM 1485 Views
I agree with this entirely *NM* LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:07:52 PM 511 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2010 10:23:06 PM 464 Views
It's kind of a chicken and egg thing BlackAdder - 07/12/2010 11:13:19 PM 1136 Views
Re: It's kind of a chicken and egg thing DomA - 08/12/2010 12:37:20 AM 1428 Views
nice post Sidious - 08/12/2010 09:20:02 AM 1255 Views
Isn't it implied guttering flame - 08/12/2010 02:16:58 PM 1020 Views
no they were students together darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:33:17 PM 974 Views
No, Lanfear was older than Lews guttering flame - 08/12/2010 07:21:45 PM 1192 Views
Where on earth did you get that from? darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 08:41:16 PM 1121 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? DomA - 09/12/2010 10:27:20 AM 1125 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:56:32 PM 1206 Views
I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:34:23 PM 1155 Views
Re: I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:43:40 PM 1133 Views
I think skill with Saidar is easy enough to judge as it's a simple matter to see the skill darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:37:27 PM 1049 Views
I think the greens should have been on Nynaeve's side as well LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 06:18:16 PM 1173 Views
Problem is they are Aes Sedai and thus more likley to be political rather than rational! *NM* darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 08:52:00 PM 814 Views
too f'n true *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:17:58 AM 522 Views
Re: nice post DomA - 09/12/2010 01:23:50 PM 1230 Views
On the matter of strength guttering flame - 09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM 1076 Views
Re: On the matter of strength Timthetrolloc - 10/12/2010 10:38:42 AM 1067 Views
Strength was "prized" in the AoL ... but lack of strength was not a negative darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 01:41:08 AM 1036 Views
The test is stupid and it was about time someone pointed it out Zeratul - 07/12/2010 10:29:38 PM 1068 Views
Channeling under duress IS necessary for ALL Aes Sedai Urbannen - 05/01/2011 12:04:53 AM 1193 Views
Well BlackAdder - 07/12/2010 11:03:38 PM 1119 Views
Yes. How dare she not conform with every other fucking mindless stupid WT Aes Sedai *NM* Variant - 07/12/2010 11:36:52 PM 659 Views
Status is not an end in itself. *NM* Chas - 07/12/2010 11:52:37 PM 532 Views
They're not really stupid... DomA - 08/12/2010 01:00:20 AM 1152 Views
Not saying they are. It's just that most AS that we've come across Chas - 08/12/2010 02:20:05 AM 848 Views
They're constantly outsmarted by a teenage girl that has spent most of her life in a damn farm. Variant - 08/12/2010 10:32:50 AM 1134 Views
yeah because that's so realistic Sidious - 08/12/2010 12:17:29 PM 1085 Views
Egwene had everything handed to her on a silver platter. Variant - 08/12/2010 11:50:17 PM 1062 Views
Bah... DomA - 09/12/2010 10:56:24 AM 1173 Views
Nope, the Sitters were always stupid Zeratul - 09/12/2010 12:37:05 PM 1102 Views
I did not say all Aes Sedai are stupid, I said all WT Aes Sedai are stupid. Variant - 10/12/2010 09:19:52 AM 1135 Views
cause being rural automatically makes you dumb?..... *NM* Onarishma - 09/12/2010 05:34:11 PM 598 Views
It makes you uneducated moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:46:49 PM 1032 Views
You are not only wrong in your call, Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 04:39:44 AM 1349 Views
Re: You are not only wrong in your call, Sidious - 08/12/2010 09:13:37 AM 1367 Views
if that is the purpose of the test LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 01:34:45 PM 1074 Views
minor disagreement darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM 1154 Views
Yes, but you can be not-panicked and not calm of body LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 06:38:56 PM 974 Views
not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM 1626 Views
that's retarded, imo LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM 1101 Views
About Elaida... Zeratul - 09/12/2010 12:29:21 PM 1070 Views
...no wonder the Aes Sedai are floundering LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 01:43:42 PM 879 Views
Oh it's totally stupid! darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:37:14 PM 1124 Views
No I know why she took the job. I just don't understand why she got it LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:52:34 PM 1064 Views
I think Elaida just smarmed up at the right time, Morgase was very young then darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:52:29 PM 1112 Views
hmm. curse smarming, then *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 07:47:26 PM 463 Views
As I recall... Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:18:25 AM 1094 Views
Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM 1122 Views
I think it has already been established that the purpose of the test is to ensure that Chas - 08/12/2010 09:59:18 PM 868 Views
Yeah, but how does that work? Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 10:24:35 PM 1031 Views
Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them. Chas - 09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM 1137 Views
Even so, it wouldn't work. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 03:32:55 AM 1053 Views
I think if this thread has established anything it's that the test is severely flawed. *NM* Chas - 09/12/2010 09:24:48 PM 509 Views
Another headless chicken example. Chas - 09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM 1040 Views
the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM 467 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Sidious - 09/12/2010 12:07:15 PM 1126 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:32:27 AM 1194 Views
The main difference guttering flame - 10/12/2010 05:50:43 AM 1057 Views
I'm not sure I agree. Skeeve the Great - 08/12/2010 12:17:12 PM 1117 Views
You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" Cannoli - 09/12/2010 02:59:50 AM 1174 Views
I hate it when I love you just a little *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:46:57 AM 499 Views
Re: You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" Sidious - 09/12/2010 09:26:21 AM 1086 Views
That's not the dilema Cannoli - 09/12/2010 05:23:19 PM 1280 Views
One of those few times where I completely agree with Cannoli. Give over Sidious. You're wrong. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:55:20 PM 1063 Views
Bah! As if an opinion on the test's validity can be wrong *NM* Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:39:14 AM 1200 Views
That's not what it's really about guttering flame - 10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM 1038 Views
The paralells are not obvious to me... Cannoli - 15/12/2010 11:42:51 AM 1110 Views
More like guttering flame - 15/12/2010 01:26:40 PM 1029 Views
This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 03:46:31 AM 1034 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. Sidious - 09/12/2010 09:40:09 AM 1127 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 02:04:02 PM 1438 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. DomA - 09/12/2010 11:26:40 AM 1154 Views
Agreed... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 01:54:09 PM 1074 Views
One of those few times where I completely agree with fionwe1987. Give over Sidious. You're wrong. Cannoli - 10/12/2010 03:53:25 PM 1131 Views
no, she did not disagree. slight difference LadyLorraine - 10/12/2010 05:53:54 PM 1004 Views
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