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Bah... DomA Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 10:56:24 AM
Yes. They're stupid.


Not in a farm, but as the daughter of the Mayor and the de facto leader of the Women's Circle, and the best friend of the Wisdom....

Brandon made AS all "stupid", they were not when Jordan wrote them.

When Jordan wrote them, the Sitters in particular were clever and devious women, but hindered by a near phobic incapacity to think outside the WT box, because it's been drilled into them that an AS must think and act like her predecessors and unorthodox or original thinking is eradicated out of them during their years as Accepted.

Siuan outwitted them most of the time, not Egwene. Not before TGS. Before that, whenever Egwene made surprise changes to Siuan's schemes, she blundered. It's only with the lesson of her capture she started to think straighter.

Brandon writes Aes Sedai fairly badly, and they've all got a massive IQ drop. The WO too. Egwene's schemes as Brandon wrote them wouldn't have worked on Jordan's Sitters - she would have had to be more devious than this. But Brandon's Egwene is dumber too.

Jordan was extremely intelligent and had some problems writing convincing average intelligent characters at time. Brandon has the opposite problem, he struggles to write the very intelligent characters.
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Nynaeve's stupidity and the test for Aes Sedai Sidious - 07/12/2010 08:27:05 PM 4385 Views
Just like all women. Great Lord of Chaos - 07/12/2010 09:15:12 PM 1255 Views
Way to totally misunderstand the chapter Icarium - 07/12/2010 09:39:08 PM 1731 Views
I second this redhand - 07/12/2010 10:10:24 PM 1413 Views
your bold is stuck. *NM* LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:21:22 PM 601 Views
He BOLDLY seconded it... *NM* HyogaRott - 08/12/2010 03:04:33 PM 579 Views
which is quite excellent. I was just leting him know *NM* LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 03:28:24 PM 484 Views
I think that statement says it all. LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:19:50 PM 1439 Views
Thanks. That's exactly what I think. ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 08/12/2010 08:29:28 AM 1311 Views
+1, well said *NM* Lord Haart - 08/12/2010 11:19:29 AM 540 Views
Agrees *NM* Onarishma - 09/12/2010 03:27:53 PM 1024 Views
Yes, the OP totally whiffed here. Nyn couldn't remember.. The Angry Druid - 11/12/2010 01:50:11 AM 1269 Views
On the whole, the test is innappropriate IMO DomA - 07/12/2010 09:40:08 PM 1545 Views
I agree with this entirely *NM* LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:07:52 PM 533 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2010 10:23:06 PM 479 Views
It's kind of a chicken and egg thing BlackAdder - 07/12/2010 11:13:19 PM 1190 Views
Re: It's kind of a chicken and egg thing DomA - 08/12/2010 12:37:20 AM 1475 Views
nice post Sidious - 08/12/2010 09:20:02 AM 1306 Views
Isn't it implied guttering flame - 08/12/2010 02:16:58 PM 1080 Views
no they were students together darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:33:17 PM 1031 Views
No, Lanfear was older than Lews guttering flame - 08/12/2010 07:21:45 PM 1254 Views
Where on earth did you get that from? darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 08:41:16 PM 1177 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? DomA - 09/12/2010 10:27:20 AM 1182 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:56:32 PM 1277 Views
I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:34:23 PM 1206 Views
Re: I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:43:40 PM 1197 Views
I think skill with Saidar is easy enough to judge as it's a simple matter to see the skill darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:37:27 PM 1102 Views
I think the greens should have been on Nynaeve's side as well LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 06:18:16 PM 1228 Views
Problem is they are Aes Sedai and thus more likley to be political rather than rational! *NM* darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 08:52:00 PM 836 Views
too f'n true *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:17:58 AM 548 Views
Re: nice post DomA - 09/12/2010 01:23:50 PM 1290 Views
On the matter of strength guttering flame - 09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM 1133 Views
Re: On the matter of strength Timthetrolloc - 10/12/2010 10:38:42 AM 1117 Views
Strength was "prized" in the AoL ... but lack of strength was not a negative darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 01:41:08 AM 1089 Views
The test is stupid and it was about time someone pointed it out Zeratul - 07/12/2010 10:29:38 PM 1121 Views
Channeling under duress IS necessary for ALL Aes Sedai Urbannen - 05/01/2011 12:04:53 AM 1262 Views
Well BlackAdder - 07/12/2010 11:03:38 PM 1176 Views
Yes. How dare she not conform with every other fucking mindless stupid WT Aes Sedai *NM* Variant - 07/12/2010 11:36:52 PM 679 Views
Status is not an end in itself. *NM* Chas - 07/12/2010 11:52:37 PM 554 Views
They're not really stupid... DomA - 08/12/2010 01:00:20 AM 1215 Views
Not saying they are. It's just that most AS that we've come across Chas - 08/12/2010 02:20:05 AM 905 Views
They're constantly outsmarted by a teenage girl that has spent most of her life in a damn farm. Variant - 08/12/2010 10:32:50 AM 1186 Views
yeah because that's so realistic Sidious - 08/12/2010 12:17:29 PM 1126 Views
Egwene had everything handed to her on a silver platter. Variant - 08/12/2010 11:50:17 PM 1085 Views
Bah... DomA - 09/12/2010 10:56:24 AM 1237 Views
Nope, the Sitters were always stupid Zeratul - 09/12/2010 12:37:05 PM 1168 Views
I did not say all Aes Sedai are stupid, I said all WT Aes Sedai are stupid. Variant - 10/12/2010 09:19:52 AM 1191 Views
cause being rural automatically makes you dumb?..... *NM* Onarishma - 09/12/2010 05:34:11 PM 621 Views
It makes you uneducated moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:46:49 PM 1089 Views
You are not only wrong in your call, Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 04:39:44 AM 1428 Views
Re: You are not only wrong in your call, Sidious - 08/12/2010 09:13:37 AM 1422 Views
if that is the purpose of the test LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 01:34:45 PM 1126 Views
minor disagreement darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM 1202 Views
Yes, but you can be not-panicked and not calm of body LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 06:38:56 PM 1027 Views
not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM 1688 Views
that's retarded, imo LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM 1162 Views
About Elaida... Zeratul - 09/12/2010 12:29:21 PM 1126 Views
...no wonder the Aes Sedai are floundering LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 01:43:42 PM 944 Views
Oh it's totally stupid! darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:37:14 PM 1177 Views
No I know why she took the job. I just don't understand why she got it LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:52:34 PM 1119 Views
I think Elaida just smarmed up at the right time, Morgase was very young then darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:52:29 PM 1173 Views
hmm. curse smarming, then *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 07:47:26 PM 487 Views
As I recall... Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:18:25 AM 1150 Views
Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM 1178 Views
I think it has already been established that the purpose of the test is to ensure that Chas - 08/12/2010 09:59:18 PM 925 Views
Yeah, but how does that work? Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 10:24:35 PM 1057 Views
Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them. Chas - 09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM 1191 Views
Even so, it wouldn't work. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 03:32:55 AM 1108 Views
I think if this thread has established anything it's that the test is severely flawed. *NM* Chas - 09/12/2010 09:24:48 PM 534 Views
Another headless chicken example. Chas - 09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM 1092 Views
the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM 490 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Sidious - 09/12/2010 12:07:15 PM 1172 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:32:27 AM 1254 Views
The main difference guttering flame - 10/12/2010 05:50:43 AM 1105 Views
I'm not sure I agree. Skeeve the Great - 08/12/2010 12:17:12 PM 1176 Views
You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" Cannoli - 09/12/2010 02:59:50 AM 1232 Views
I hate it when I love you just a little *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:46:57 AM 521 Views
Re: You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" Sidious - 09/12/2010 09:26:21 AM 1143 Views
That's not the dilema Cannoli - 09/12/2010 05:23:19 PM 1334 Views
One of those few times where I completely agree with Cannoli. Give over Sidious. You're wrong. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:55:20 PM 1115 Views
Bah! As if an opinion on the test's validity can be wrong *NM* Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:39:14 AM 1266 Views
That's not what it's really about guttering flame - 10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM 1087 Views
The paralells are not obvious to me... Cannoli - 15/12/2010 11:42:51 AM 1164 Views
More like guttering flame - 15/12/2010 01:26:40 PM 1076 Views
This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 03:46:31 AM 1099 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. Sidious - 09/12/2010 09:40:09 AM 1184 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 02:04:02 PM 1491 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. DomA - 09/12/2010 11:26:40 AM 1184 Views
Agreed... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 01:54:09 PM 1131 Views
One of those few times where I completely agree with fionwe1987. Give over Sidious. You're wrong. Cannoli - 10/12/2010 03:53:25 PM 1183 Views
no, she did not disagree. slight difference LadyLorraine - 10/12/2010 05:53:54 PM 1058 Views
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