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Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 07:41:23 AM
But slavery, incidentally, is not defined by the lack of freedom, though lack of freedom is a consequence of slavery. What defines a slave is that they are property of someone else, they are entirely under the domination of another.
Well yes, to everything except your last clause. You are absolutely correct that what defines a slave is the status of being property, and the "freedom" they possess is the status of not being property. But in the face of brutality, poverty, squalor, lack of legal standing, and corruption, I find the attention people pay to this least tangible of issues rather bemusing.

And to your question: for peasants and equivalent urban laborers, very little.
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I'm nervous. rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 12:55:27 AM 2073 Views
my feelings exactly Jessie - 08/12/2010 01:21:20 AM 1084 Views
Some sad news Itachi - 08/12/2010 01:42:06 AM 1258 Views
The prophesies... Kieran - 08/12/2010 01:43:32 AM 1085 Views
well regardless, we probably won't hear about it LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 01:51:05 AM 903 Views
Well.... DomA - 08/12/2010 02:04:59 AM 1271 Views
Re: Well.... Sandwich - 08/12/2010 04:34:45 AM 1065 Views
Aviendha's vision is utterly impossible. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 03:34:05 AM 1475 Views
Hm. Well, what constitutes "saving?" beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 03:39:12 PM 870 Views
No. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:32:59 PM 874 Views
It's just a story. Tom - 08/12/2010 05:34:17 AM 900 Views
* *NM* moratcorlm - 08/12/2010 06:03:39 AM 461 Views
No. rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:08:40 PM 931 Views
Fuck the Aiel and the White Tower. Go Team Seanchan! Variant - 08/12/2010 09:20:44 AM 1211 Views
Eh? rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:11:17 PM 916 Views
Peasants aren't slaves? Are you fucking kidding me? Variant - 08/12/2010 11:32:18 PM 892 Views
yes, but the Seanchan aren't keeping their culture to themselves LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:17:36 AM 872 Views
And Randlanders aren't forcing their beliefs on others? Variant - 09/12/2010 02:22:11 AM 830 Views
That's plain stupid... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 06:41:49 AM 858 Views
Re: That's plain stupid... moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:45:34 AM 854 Views
You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:21:00 AM 868 Views
I do. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:24:00 AM 480 Views
Well, I don't *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:41:32 AM 440 Views
Crap alert! fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 01:26:37 PM 818 Views
Re: Crap alert! Variant - 10/12/2010 01:51:42 AM 963 Views
Re: Crap alert! LadyLorraine - 10/12/2010 02:25:25 AM 956 Views
If Britian has the resources or the desire to do so, then of course. Variant - 10/12/2010 07:10:15 AM 823 Views
Re: You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:49:10 PM 779 Views
Yes, this. rebelaessedai - 09/12/2010 07:17:52 PM 897 Views
I'd wish it on myself moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:40:34 PM 845 Views
I wouldn't necessarily object to wearing a Domination band... Variant - 10/12/2010 08:37:48 AM 1155 Views
rebelaessedai - 10/12/2010 07:28:09 PM 827 Views
Personally, I like Suffa better. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:52:28 AM 461 Views
Peasants aren't slaves. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 12:19:11 AM 852 Views
"But they were free men." moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 06:20:10 AM 708 Views
By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 07:32:42 AM 930 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:41:23 AM 892 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM 871 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 09:45:14 AM 863 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:39:16 PM 849 Views
Is there anything you'd like to correct about what you just said? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:43:56 PM 872 Views
Ok. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 04:57:12 AM 982 Views
~shrugs~ I prefer using "Peasant" rather than "Serf" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:06:19 AM 822 Views
They're really different things. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:26:26 AM 828 Views
Not really. Variant - 09/12/2010 08:40:32 AM 880 Views
Sure, if you insist on being wrong, it's not like I can stop you. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:41:18 PM 422 Views
They're the same thing, you're just being anal about it. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:42:28 AM 432 Views
If that is what you wish to believe. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:00:46 AM 813 Views
So.... you're saying the Peasant is the equivalent of a Marine Biologist in your example? Variant - 10/12/2010 07:03:32 AM 850 Views
gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM 988 Views
The Shaido made precedent, it's done. *NM* Variant - 08/12/2010 11:39:09 PM 404 Views
I disagree. BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 07:22:36 AM 842 Views
Re: I disagree. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:53:26 AM 748 Views
Bullshit Variant - 09/12/2010 08:00:10 AM 818 Views
Reply to both BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 08:23:08 AM 1036 Views
Re: Variant - 09/12/2010 08:36:32 AM 823 Views
Re: Re: BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:07:04 AM 1129 Views
I apologize for the "bullshit" comment. Variant - 10/12/2010 08:16:38 AM 1450 Views
Re: Reply to both moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 10:03:26 AM 726 Views
Their culture was raped in the face, hard. BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM 1008 Views
Re: Their culture was raped in the face, hard. moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 08:44:27 AM 864 Views
What kind of reasoning is this? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:29:15 AM 683 Views
Eh? *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:43:01 AM 357 Views
Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 04:48:20 PM 768 Views
Re: Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:53:24 PM 764 Views
At least the Aiel v. Seanchan question is answered. everynametaken - 09/12/2010 02:46:02 AM 1518 Views
I actually think her vision will prevent Rand from Bowing to Tuon darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:53:25 PM 838 Views
I hope that this is what happens. rebelaessedai - 09/12/2010 07:22:59 PM 890 Views
I think it's a case of what might, not must, be. Joel - 11/12/2010 03:41:36 AM 851 Views
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