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Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them. Chas Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM
When passing the test, they don't remember why they're doing what they're doing, so how are they supposed to remember that it's 'for the Tower'?


So they do it. I would assume by this point in their training that the importance of the Tower above all has been drilled into them so that it's second nature to place it above everything else even if they don't remember why (or what) they hold it to be so. In Nynaeve's case it hadn't been hammered in thus she went with what has been important to her her whole life.

I would assume this is also why the Tower doesn't like 'wilders', by the time they've entered the Tower they already have core beliefs that are not easily changed by Tower training.
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Nynaeve's stupidity and the test for Aes Sedai Sidious - 07/12/2010 08:27:05 PM 4588 Views
Just like all women. Great Lord of Chaos - 07/12/2010 09:15:12 PM 1384 Views
Way to totally misunderstand the chapter Icarium - 07/12/2010 09:39:08 PM 1878 Views
I second this redhand - 07/12/2010 10:10:24 PM 1542 Views
your bold is stuck. *NM* LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:21:22 PM 668 Views
He BOLDLY seconded it... *NM* HyogaRott - 08/12/2010 03:04:33 PM 642 Views
which is quite excellent. I was just leting him know *NM* LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 03:28:24 PM 539 Views
I think that statement says it all. LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:19:50 PM 1560 Views
Thanks. That's exactly what I think. ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 08/12/2010 08:29:28 AM 1439 Views
+1, well said *NM* Lord Haart - 08/12/2010 11:19:29 AM 600 Views
Agrees *NM* Onarishma - 09/12/2010 03:27:53 PM 1143 Views
Yes, the OP totally whiffed here. Nyn couldn't remember.. The Angry Druid - 11/12/2010 01:50:11 AM 1432 Views
On the whole, the test is innappropriate IMO DomA - 07/12/2010 09:40:08 PM 1660 Views
I agree with this entirely *NM* LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:07:52 PM 601 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2010 10:23:06 PM 544 Views
It's kind of a chicken and egg thing BlackAdder - 07/12/2010 11:13:19 PM 1315 Views
Re: It's kind of a chicken and egg thing DomA - 08/12/2010 12:37:20 AM 1637 Views
nice post Sidious - 08/12/2010 09:20:02 AM 1435 Views
Isn't it implied guttering flame - 08/12/2010 02:16:58 PM 1221 Views
no they were students together darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:33:17 PM 1153 Views
No, Lanfear was older than Lews guttering flame - 08/12/2010 07:21:45 PM 1376 Views
Where on earth did you get that from? darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 08:41:16 PM 1300 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? DomA - 09/12/2010 10:27:20 AM 1315 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:56:32 PM 1424 Views
I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:34:23 PM 1348 Views
Re: I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:43:40 PM 1315 Views
I think skill with Saidar is easy enough to judge as it's a simple matter to see the skill darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:37:27 PM 1232 Views
I think the greens should have been on Nynaeve's side as well LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 06:18:16 PM 1341 Views
Problem is they are Aes Sedai and thus more likley to be political rather than rational! *NM* darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 08:52:00 PM 902 Views
too f'n true *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:17:58 AM 607 Views
Re: nice post DomA - 09/12/2010 01:23:50 PM 1438 Views
On the matter of strength guttering flame - 09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM 1248 Views
Re: On the matter of strength Timthetrolloc - 10/12/2010 10:38:42 AM 1277 Views
Strength was "prized" in the AoL ... but lack of strength was not a negative darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 01:41:08 AM 1209 Views
The test is stupid and it was about time someone pointed it out Zeratul - 07/12/2010 10:29:38 PM 1229 Views
Channeling under duress IS necessary for ALL Aes Sedai Urbannen - 05/01/2011 12:04:53 AM 1394 Views
Well BlackAdder - 07/12/2010 11:03:38 PM 1287 Views
Yes. How dare she not conform with every other fucking mindless stupid WT Aes Sedai *NM* Variant - 07/12/2010 11:36:52 PM 736 Views
Status is not an end in itself. *NM* Chas - 07/12/2010 11:52:37 PM 618 Views
They're not really stupid... DomA - 08/12/2010 01:00:20 AM 1340 Views
Not saying they are. It's just that most AS that we've come across Chas - 08/12/2010 02:20:05 AM 1039 Views
They're constantly outsmarted by a teenage girl that has spent most of her life in a damn farm. Variant - 08/12/2010 10:32:50 AM 1295 Views
yeah because that's so realistic Sidious - 08/12/2010 12:17:29 PM 1238 Views
Egwene had everything handed to her on a silver platter. Variant - 08/12/2010 11:50:17 PM 1207 Views
Bah... DomA - 09/12/2010 10:56:24 AM 1345 Views
Nope, the Sitters were always stupid Zeratul - 09/12/2010 12:37:05 PM 1305 Views
I did not say all Aes Sedai are stupid, I said all WT Aes Sedai are stupid. Variant - 10/12/2010 09:19:52 AM 1307 Views
cause being rural automatically makes you dumb?..... *NM* Onarishma - 09/12/2010 05:34:11 PM 693 Views
It makes you uneducated moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:46:49 PM 1218 Views
You are not only wrong in your call, Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 04:39:44 AM 1551 Views
Re: You are not only wrong in your call, Sidious - 08/12/2010 09:13:37 AM 1548 Views
if that is the purpose of the test LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 01:34:45 PM 1245 Views
minor disagreement darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM 1343 Views
Yes, but you can be not-panicked and not calm of body LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 06:38:56 PM 1176 Views
not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM 1816 Views
that's retarded, imo LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM 1333 Views
About Elaida... Zeratul - 09/12/2010 12:29:21 PM 1326 Views
...no wonder the Aes Sedai are floundering LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 01:43:42 PM 1062 Views
Oh it's totally stupid! darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:37:14 PM 1297 Views
No I know why she took the job. I just don't understand why she got it LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:52:34 PM 1242 Views
I think Elaida just smarmed up at the right time, Morgase was very young then darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:52:29 PM 1352 Views
hmm. curse smarming, then *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 07:47:26 PM 542 Views
As I recall... Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:18:25 AM 1265 Views
Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM 1286 Views
I think it has already been established that the purpose of the test is to ensure that Chas - 08/12/2010 09:59:18 PM 1047 Views
Yeah, but how does that work? Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 10:24:35 PM 1185 Views
Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them. Chas - 09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM 1320 Views
Even so, it wouldn't work. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 03:32:55 AM 1232 Views
I think if this thread has established anything it's that the test is severely flawed. *NM* Chas - 09/12/2010 09:24:48 PM 601 Views
Another headless chicken example. Chas - 09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM 1212 Views
the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM 546 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Sidious - 09/12/2010 12:07:15 PM 1288 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:32:27 AM 1376 Views
The main difference guttering flame - 10/12/2010 05:50:43 AM 1231 Views
I'm not sure I agree. Skeeve the Great - 08/12/2010 12:17:12 PM 1320 Views
You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" Cannoli - 09/12/2010 02:59:50 AM 1391 Views
I hate it when I love you just a little *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:46:57 AM 587 Views
Re: You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" Sidious - 09/12/2010 09:26:21 AM 1257 Views
That's not the dilema Cannoli - 09/12/2010 05:23:19 PM 1452 Views
One of those few times where I completely agree with Cannoli. Give over Sidious. You're wrong. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:55:20 PM 1236 Views
Bah! As if an opinion on the test's validity can be wrong *NM* Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:39:14 AM 1379 Views
That's not what it's really about guttering flame - 10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM 1209 Views
The paralells are not obvious to me... Cannoli - 15/12/2010 11:42:51 AM 1284 Views
More like guttering flame - 15/12/2010 01:26:40 PM 1194 Views
This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 03:46:31 AM 1248 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. Sidious - 09/12/2010 09:40:09 AM 1303 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 02:04:02 PM 1610 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. DomA - 09/12/2010 11:26:40 AM 1309 Views
Agreed... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 01:54:09 PM 1251 Views
One of those few times where I completely agree with fionwe1987. Give over Sidious. You're wrong. Cannoli - 10/12/2010 03:53:25 PM 1312 Views
no, she did not disagree. slight difference LadyLorraine - 10/12/2010 05:53:54 PM 1184 Views
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