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Nothing to really argue here except perspective ... to each their own *NM* darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/12/2010 10:26:04 PM
Elayne and Nynaeve are coequal main characters with Rand, Mat, Egwene, and Perrin. Their storyline often took primacy over Egwene's among the Wondergirls-as-a-unit until Book 6; then there was the Bowl of the Winds, then Elayne in Andor and Nynaeve vs. Cadsuane.

If you asked me to name the least independent of the main characters, it would be Mat. His character development didn't begin until Book 3, and except for his excursion in TDR, the few paragraphs in Finnland, and a couple of chapters in TFOH and LOC he was very much an adjunct to Rand. Then he becomes an adjunct to Nynaeve and Elayne–a good chunk of it from Mat's POV, but it isn't his story–, then disappears for an entire book. His plotline as a wholly individual character doesn't really begin until chapter 15 of Winter's Heart.

(If I wanted to be nasty I could use this space to make jokes about Perrin, too)
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Nynaeve should not have been made to swear the Oaths Cannoli - 07/12/2010 03:12:00 PM 1767 Views
Re: Nynaeve should not have been made to swear the Oaths Watcher - 07/12/2010 03:22:49 PM 981 Views
Re: Nynaeve should not have been made to swear the Oaths Cannoli - 07/12/2010 10:44:01 PM 749 Views
*shrugs* ... the oaths are lame and so full of holes the only value they bring is darius_sedai - 07/12/2010 03:26:21 PM 764 Views
I wonder what would have happened if she refused and left the tower entirely. LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 03:30:58 PM 749 Views
I doubt they would have stopped her ... but there was no real reason for her to refuse the darius_sedai - 07/12/2010 03:34:20 PM 711 Views
no there wasn't a real reason for her to refuse. It'd still be interesting if she did *NM* LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 03:37:45 PM 361 Views
would have made for an interesting spin on the plot darius_sedai - 07/12/2010 05:37:31 PM 695 Views
How is she not a lead? moratcorlm - 07/12/2010 06:25:45 PM 666 Views
She has never really had her own unique plot line darius_sedai - 07/12/2010 06:34:40 PM 646 Views
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that moratcorlm - 07/12/2010 07:46:08 PM 708 Views
Nothing to really argue here except perspective ... to each their own *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2010 10:26:04 PM 354 Views
That would have been good - I think she was probably the only woman with such an opportunity Cannoli - 07/12/2010 10:59:50 PM 742 Views
Personally, I think it would have been a brillaint twist if Nyneave didn't become Aes Sedai *NM* Variant - 08/12/2010 12:02:05 AM 400 Views
Re: *shrugs* ... the oaths are lame and so full of holes the only value they bring is Cannoli - 07/12/2010 10:49:12 PM 735 Views
I think that is true of the testing not the Oaths darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:08:22 PM 661 Views
she shouldn't have, although I think they should trash the oaths in general LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 03:29:21 PM 678 Views
agreed! and I think Nynaeve's testing rather proved that point darius_sedai - 07/12/2010 03:35:38 PM 738 Views
Especially since Egwene herself didn't really think it necessary for herself to take the tests RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/12/2010 03:43:18 PM 719 Views
well it looks like such a coalition is part of the plan LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 03:47:03 PM 702 Views
I meant one that would destroy the White Tower RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/12/2010 03:53:35 PM 765 Views
ahh I see. well maybe they shall LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 04:00:52 PM 659 Views
I agree with you. Hopefully Post LB there will be a new structure to the AS organization darius_sedai - 07/12/2010 05:34:01 PM 624 Views
She was always going to have to swear the Oaths redqueen - 07/12/2010 04:42:59 PM 677 Views
Good old political necessity moratcorlm - 07/12/2010 06:29:26 PM 586 Views
Amyrlin's decree malekithe - 07/12/2010 09:56:51 PM 670 Views
Brace yourselves, everybody... Evil_Monkey - 08/12/2010 02:56:43 PM 619 Views
Ooops, double post! *NM* Evil_Monkey - 08/12/2010 02:58:01 PM 349 Views
The only problem with that scenario was that Nynaeve had stuff to do, and could not as Accepted Cannoli - 09/12/2010 01:09:45 AM 732 Views
And what? To miss all the awesomeness she had before/during/after the test? Skeeve the Great - 07/12/2010 06:27:23 PM 652 Views
I agree about the test, kind of. The Oaths was going too far. DomA - 07/12/2010 07:02:43 PM 808 Views
Re: I agree about the test, kind of. The Oaths was going too far. Hot Pie - 16/12/2010 10:40:39 AM 547 Views
And yet people keep choosing donuts over lettuce *NM* guttering flame - 16/12/2010 10:47:04 AM 370 Views
It's supposed to be a required part of being Aes Sedai. ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 08/12/2010 08:52:34 AM 612 Views
Has Egwene swore the Oaths? guttering flame - 08/12/2010 03:11:37 PM 723 Views
Yes - she swore on the Oath Rod in TGS. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/12/2010 03:22:31 PM 402 Views
Love Nynaeve... Hot Pie - 10/12/2010 09:49:13 AM 617 Views
On the contrary, being Aes Sedai means she had to swear the Oaths. Joel - 14/12/2010 04:53:28 AM 604 Views
Re: On the contrary, being Aes Sedai means she had to swear the Oaths. Hot Pie - 14/12/2010 11:53:43 AM 674 Views
Passing your scars on guttering flame - 14/12/2010 07:07:43 PM 532 Views
Re: Passing your scars on Hot Pie - 14/12/2010 10:45:01 PM 695 Views
Actually I'm not being flippant guttering flame - 15/12/2010 05:58:22 AM 637 Views
They believe Oaths necessary, thus an Aes Sedai refusing sets herself apart from and above the rest. Joel - 16/12/2010 02:26:45 PM 1079 Views
So? Cannoli - 15/12/2010 11:40:32 AM 698 Views
From the standpoint of actually changing Tower rules and traditions I agree with you. Joel - 16/12/2010 02:13:44 PM 1100 Views
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