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Way to totally misunderstand the chapter Icarium Send a noteboard - 07/12/2010 09:39:08 PM
The reasoning behind Nynaeve's actions is pointed out quite clearly:

"That's why I broke the rules. I thought they were just arbitrary. I couldn't remember why I wasn't supposed to run, so in the face of seeing people die, it seemed silly to walk."

"My goal in this test was to prove that I deserve to be Aes Sedai. Well, then, I could argue that the lives of the people I saw were more important than gaining that title. If losing my title is what would be required to save someone's life—and if there were no other consequences—I'd do it. Every time."

"I wonder if," Nynaeve said, "we sometimes put the White Tower—as
an institution—before the people we serve. I wonder if we let it become a goal in itself, instead of a means to help us achieve greater goals."

"Would you have me choose between a foolish oath and the fate of the world?""


The Aes Sedai claim to serve a higher purpose but most of the time they live in their ivory tower and bicker amongst themselves. Calmly obeying orders is great...if the one who gives the orders has a clue. Nynaeve has proven many times she can cope with extreme situations.

The point of the test is to prove that the woman can remain calm and achieve a higher purpose in the face of extreme stress, which Nynaeve cannot do.


Of course she can, she defeated Forsaken. She does it when she knows and believes in this higher purpose. For a real world analogy - many soldiers would die for their country but wouldn't risk their lives by becoming mercenaries.

The fact that Nynaeve wants to rescue children and other suffering people when she's exposed to them makes her a serious risk to a higher purpose.


No, if there is a tangible goal Nynaeve can choose. It's arbitrary rules she has a problem with. For instance she doesn't go rescue Mat from Ebou Dar or she goes to the WT in Book 2 instead of staying around Rand to help him. If she were that incapable of seeing the bigger picture she would never go fight and would just go around healing people. The whole point is that while trying to save everyone might be too idealistic to work in the real world, sacrificing everything for the sake of an ideal (the WT) can backfire too, especially if this ideal is very far from perfect. A balance needs to be struck.
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Nynaeve's stupidity and the test for Aes Sedai - 07/12/2010 08:27:05 PM 4289 Views
Just like all women. - 07/12/2010 09:15:12 PM 1172 Views
Way to totally misunderstand the chapter - 07/12/2010 09:39:08 PM 1649 Views
I second this - 07/12/2010 10:10:24 PM 1344 Views
your bold is stuck. *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:21:22 PM 574 Views
He BOLDLY seconded it... *NM* - 08/12/2010 03:04:33 PM 550 Views
which is quite excellent. I was just leting him know *NM* - 08/12/2010 03:28:24 PM 456 Views
I think that statement says it all. - 07/12/2010 10:19:50 PM 1376 Views
Thanks. That's exactly what I think. - 08/12/2010 08:29:28 AM 1243 Views
+1, well said *NM* - 08/12/2010 11:19:29 AM 512 Views
Agrees *NM* - 09/12/2010 03:27:53 PM 949 Views
Yes, the OP totally whiffed here. Nyn couldn't remember.. - 11/12/2010 01:50:11 AM 1190 Views
On the whole, the test is innappropriate IMO - 07/12/2010 09:40:08 PM 1468 Views
I agree with this entirely *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:07:52 PM 509 Views
very well said *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:23:06 PM 458 Views
It's kind of a chicken and egg thing - 07/12/2010 11:13:19 PM 1119 Views
Re: It's kind of a chicken and egg thing - 08/12/2010 12:37:20 AM 1407 Views
nice post - 08/12/2010 09:20:02 AM 1239 Views
Isn't it implied - 08/12/2010 02:16:58 PM 1006 Views
no they were students together - 08/12/2010 05:33:17 PM 956 Views
No, Lanfear was older than Lews - 08/12/2010 07:21:45 PM 1179 Views
Where on earth did you get that from? - 08/12/2010 08:41:16 PM 1107 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? - 09/12/2010 10:27:20 AM 1115 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? - 09/12/2010 03:56:32 PM 1189 Views
I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time - 09/12/2010 04:34:23 PM 1139 Views
I think skill with Saidar is easy enough to judge as it's a simple matter to see the skill - 08/12/2010 05:37:27 PM 1038 Views
I think the greens should have been on Nynaeve's side as well - 08/12/2010 06:18:16 PM 1158 Views
Problem is they are Aes Sedai and thus more likley to be political rather than rational! *NM* - 08/12/2010 08:52:00 PM 809 Views
too f'n true *NM* - 09/12/2010 12:17:58 AM 518 Views
Re: nice post - 09/12/2010 01:23:50 PM 1221 Views
On the matter of strength - 09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM 1060 Views
Re: On the matter of strength - 10/12/2010 10:38:42 AM 1059 Views
Strength was "prized" in the AoL ... but lack of strength was not a negative - 12/12/2010 01:41:08 AM 1022 Views
The test is stupid and it was about time someone pointed it out - 07/12/2010 10:29:38 PM 1060 Views
Channeling under duress IS necessary for ALL Aes Sedai - 05/01/2011 12:04:53 AM 1169 Views
Well - 07/12/2010 11:03:38 PM 1104 Views
Status is not an end in itself. *NM* - 07/12/2010 11:52:37 PM 527 Views
They're not really stupid... - 08/12/2010 01:00:20 AM 1136 Views
They're constantly outsmarted by a teenage girl that has spent most of her life in a damn farm. - 08/12/2010 10:32:50 AM 1122 Views
yeah because that's so realistic - 08/12/2010 12:17:29 PM 1070 Views
Egwene had everything handed to her on a silver platter. - 08/12/2010 11:50:17 PM 1045 Views
Bah... - 09/12/2010 10:56:24 AM 1158 Views
Nope, the Sitters were always stupid - 09/12/2010 12:37:05 PM 1087 Views
cause being rural automatically makes you dumb?..... *NM* - 09/12/2010 05:34:11 PM 593 Views
It makes you uneducated - 09/12/2010 05:46:49 PM 1011 Views
You are not only wrong in your call, - 08/12/2010 04:39:44 AM 1335 Views
Re: You are not only wrong in your call, - 08/12/2010 09:13:37 AM 1351 Views
if that is the purpose of the test - 08/12/2010 01:34:45 PM 1060 Views
minor disagreement - 08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM 1135 Views
Yes, but you can be not-panicked and not calm of body - 08/12/2010 06:38:56 PM 960 Views
not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though - 08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM 1610 Views
that's retarded, imo - 09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM 1086 Views
About Elaida... - 09/12/2010 12:29:21 PM 1055 Views
...no wonder the Aes Sedai are floundering - 09/12/2010 01:43:42 PM 862 Views
Oh it's totally stupid! - 09/12/2010 04:37:14 PM 1106 Views
No I know why she took the job. I just don't understand why she got it - 09/12/2010 04:52:34 PM 1049 Views
I think Elaida just smarmed up at the right time, Morgase was very young then - 09/12/2010 05:52:29 PM 1098 Views
hmm. curse smarming, then *NM* - 09/12/2010 07:47:26 PM 458 Views
As I recall... - 10/12/2010 05:18:25 AM 1074 Views
Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM 1109 Views
I think it has already been established that the purpose of the test is to ensure that - 08/12/2010 09:59:18 PM 854 Views
Yeah, but how does that work? - 08/12/2010 10:24:35 PM 1014 Views
Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them. - 09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM 1124 Views
Even so, it wouldn't work. - 09/12/2010 03:32:55 AM 1037 Views
Another headless chicken example. - 09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM 1020 Views
the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM 459 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 09/12/2010 12:07:15 PM 1110 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 10/12/2010 05:32:27 AM 1180 Views
The main difference - 10/12/2010 05:50:43 AM 1040 Views
I'm not sure I agree. - 08/12/2010 12:17:12 PM 1108 Views
You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 02:59:50 AM 1164 Views
I hate it when I love you just a little *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:46:57 AM 492 Views
Re: You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 09:26:21 AM 1072 Views
That's not the dilema - 09/12/2010 05:23:19 PM 1261 Views
That's not what it's really about - 10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM 1017 Views
The paralells are not obvious to me... - 15/12/2010 11:42:51 AM 1101 Views
More like - 15/12/2010 01:26:40 PM 1014 Views

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