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I agree about the test, kind of. The Oaths was going too far. DomA Send a noteboard - 07/12/2010 07:02:43 PM
The status of an Aes Sedai once conferred is a general acceptance by the White Tower, and NOT a gift to be handed out or taken away by the Amyrlin Seat, even if she has final approval over the granting of that status.




Therefore Egwene should not have overlooked whatever Tower Law says about the raising of an AS and made Nynaeve one by decree.

She got away with this the same way Elaida got away with demoting Shemerin to Accepted. Shemerin didn't challenge Elaida, and her Hall did not. The same way, if for completely different reasons, Egwene's Hall didn't wish to challenge her decree, as it would have completely destroyed what they were trying to accomplish that night by raising an Amyrlin, nor could it be shown publicly that they didn't have control over Egwene, as most AS would have expected them to have.

That, and not any legal point, was why Egwene's decree wasn't challenged, and why it took some time before the Sitters openly showed their despise of that decree.

Egwene now is fully aware of the awkwardness of the situation, and there is the precedent of Elaida's unilateral action with Shemerin to take into account. Egwene could have put her foot down and insisted that her decree, made impulsively when she knew nothing and felt cornered and manipulated, stood, and the new Hall was now in a position to challenge her over this, and to bring up Elaida demoting an AS and Egwene's vocal opposition to this, or she could negotiate something with the Hall about Nynaeve and Elayne, which is apparently exactly what Egwene did. Insisting that her decree stood as is was no gift to Nynaeve/Elayne: for decades or more they would always have been seen as not properly raised.

The Sitters and Sheriam and co knew better, when they rather chose to acknowledge Theodrin and Faolain were ready for the testing by giving them special permissions and all, but didn't even pretended they were raising them now, when the proper ceremonies and provisions could not be met. Egwene was just a bleary eyed Accepted raised Amyrlin, and she made a very bad call that first night, one that did Nynaeve/Elayne and the other two no favour.

I frankly don't see your point about the Three Oaths. Elayne and Nynaeve were expected to abide by them already and until they could be made to swear them on the Oath Rod. The whole concept of bound Oaths make those no Oaths at all, but that's another issue altogether. As of now, AS are required to swear on the Binder, and until Tower Law is changed about this, this applies to all sisters, no matter how they were raised.

The biggest problem about the Oaths is all the PR fuss the Tower has made about them for millenia, made worse by the stupid habit of the sisters to go around the first Oath on a regular basis and getting themselves a reputation as devious liars and manipulators, which negate the PR effect the first Oath was supposed to have!

Whatever Egwene might have wanted (before she changed her mind anyway), she could not get rid of the three Oaths, unless secretely. The blow, if the WT announced the sisters were no longer bound by the 3 Oaths and only respected them by choice and without coercion, would be devasting outside the Tower. Aes Sedai are barely trusted by many rulers and people as it is, they're in no position to announce the end of the 3 Oaths.

Give them decades or more serving the people and abandonning most of their political games and rebuilding for channellers a good reputation, and maybe then the fate of the 3 Oaths could be discussed again.







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Nynaeve should not have been made to swear the Oaths - 07/12/2010 03:12:00 PM 1777 Views
Re: Nynaeve should not have been made to swear the Oaths - 07/12/2010 03:22:49 PM 997 Views
Re: Nynaeve should not have been made to swear the Oaths - 07/12/2010 10:44:01 PM 758 Views
*shrugs* ... the oaths are lame and so full of holes the only value they bring is - 07/12/2010 03:26:21 PM 771 Views
I wonder what would have happened if she refused and left the tower entirely. - 07/12/2010 03:30:58 PM 764 Views
I doubt they would have stopped her ... but there was no real reason for her to refuse the - 07/12/2010 03:34:20 PM 725 Views
no there wasn't a real reason for her to refuse. It'd still be interesting if she did *NM* - 07/12/2010 03:37:45 PM 364 Views
would have made for an interesting spin on the plot - 07/12/2010 05:37:31 PM 704 Views
How is she not a lead? - 07/12/2010 06:25:45 PM 682 Views
She has never really had her own unique plot line - 07/12/2010 06:34:40 PM 657 Views
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that - 07/12/2010 07:46:08 PM 716 Views
Nothing to really argue here except perspective ... to each their own *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:26:04 PM 355 Views
Re: *shrugs* ... the oaths are lame and so full of holes the only value they bring is - 07/12/2010 10:49:12 PM 745 Views
I think that is true of the testing not the Oaths - 08/12/2010 05:08:22 PM 673 Views
she shouldn't have, although I think they should trash the oaths in general - 07/12/2010 03:29:21 PM 687 Views
agreed! and I think Nynaeve's testing rather proved that point - 07/12/2010 03:35:38 PM 749 Views
Especially since Egwene herself didn't really think it necessary for herself to take the tests - 07/12/2010 03:43:18 PM 728 Views
well it looks like such a coalition is part of the plan - 07/12/2010 03:47:03 PM 713 Views
I meant one that would destroy the White Tower - 07/12/2010 03:53:35 PM 775 Views
ahh I see. well maybe they shall - 07/12/2010 04:00:52 PM 670 Views
She was always going to have to swear the Oaths - 07/12/2010 04:42:59 PM 691 Views
Good old political necessity - 07/12/2010 06:29:26 PM 597 Views
Amyrlin's decree - 07/12/2010 09:56:51 PM 678 Views
Brace yourselves, everybody... - 08/12/2010 02:56:43 PM 631 Views
Ooops, double post! *NM* - 08/12/2010 02:58:01 PM 353 Views
And what? To miss all the awesomeness she had before/during/after the test? - 07/12/2010 06:27:23 PM 661 Views
I agree about the test, kind of. The Oaths was going too far. - 07/12/2010 07:02:43 PM 818 Views
Re: I agree about the test, kind of. The Oaths was going too far. - 16/12/2010 10:40:39 AM 555 Views
And yet people keep choosing donuts over lettuce *NM* - 16/12/2010 10:47:04 AM 373 Views
It's supposed to be a required part of being Aes Sedai. - 08/12/2010 08:52:34 AM 627 Views
Has Egwene swore the Oaths? - 08/12/2010 03:11:37 PM 738 Views
Yes - she swore on the Oath Rod in TGS. *NM* - 08/12/2010 03:22:31 PM 406 Views
Love Nynaeve... - 10/12/2010 09:49:13 AM 630 Views
On the contrary, being Aes Sedai means she had to swear the Oaths. - 14/12/2010 04:53:28 AM 615 Views
Re: On the contrary, being Aes Sedai means she had to swear the Oaths. - 14/12/2010 11:53:43 AM 685 Views
Passing your scars on - 14/12/2010 07:07:43 PM 542 Views
Re: Passing your scars on - 14/12/2010 10:45:01 PM 707 Views
Actually I'm not being flippant - 15/12/2010 05:58:22 AM 645 Views
So? - 15/12/2010 11:40:32 AM 709 Views

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