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Nynaeve should not have been made to swear the Oaths Cannoli Send a noteboard - 07/12/2010 03:12:00 PM
On the surface this might seem obviously wrong. Egwene's the Amyrlin, enforcing the rules of the Tower is her jurisdiction, the Oaths and sisterhood fall roughly into that category, QED. But then there is one of the few issues on which she has been right - the inviolability of the status of an Aes Sedai. Elaida was absolutely wrong to decree Shemerin stripped of the stole. The status of an Aes Sedai once conferred is a general acceptance by the White Tower, and NOT a gift to be handed out or taken away by the Amyrlin Seat, even if she has final approval over the granting of that status. As an issue of the Tower, it can, or should, only be issued or revoked by the law of the Tower, and not any particular individual's whim.

The only problem with that position, as related to Nynaeve, is that ship has sailed. Nynaeve is already Aes Sedai. That was not made conditional upon her passing a test or taking the Oaths, it was simply stated and asserted and, with the Amyrlin's full support, was held to be every bit as valid and equal as any other sisters' status. Nynaeve was made a full Aes Sedai, absolutely and unconditionally, and retroactively attaching conditions to her keeping the shawl and title is absolutely no different than Elaida revoking the shawl from Shemerin or demanding the sisters swear an additional oath.

Some might claim that the particular nature of the Oaths is an issue, but that was not the problem with Elaida proposing a fourth oath. It does not matter what that extra oath is, and an oath to serve the Amyrlin Seat is no more immoral, wrong or absurd or even contrary to any principle than the first three. The wrongness with what Elaida proposed was of a piece with her assumed right to remove sisters - Aes Sedai ARE, and Elaida, or any other woman, has no right to go around attaching conditions to retaining that status. Which is also why Elayne was wrong to confiscate the great serpent rings from the Black sisters she caught. What Elayne was doing was an act of denial - she was trying to remove their claim of association with the Tower and with Aes Sedai. While her motivation was probably more horror and disgust at them, than any attempt to cover the Tower's ass, she was still doing the wrong thing, and something on the order of vigilantism - the cops chase vigilantes not to protect criminals but to enforce the law even-handedly. Elayne's act is as wrong as the perfectly natural impulse to slap around a handcuffed child molester.

The problem with the scenario as far as Nynaeve went was the presmuption of her inferiority because she did not take the test, but there is no reason she should have been able to tell them where to shove their Oath Rod. She was already Aes Sedai. She only took the test to prove to everyone else that she could do exactly what they did. Unfortunately, Nynaeve has always cared too much about what other people think about her and thus allows the opinions and condescension of people she knows to be hidebound & inept fools to bulldoze her into going along with a violation of an important principle of the White Tower. And piss away one of the last best chances left to rid the Tower of the Three Oaths as well, but that is another issue.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
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Nynaeve should not have been made to swear the Oaths - 07/12/2010 03:12:00 PM 1777 Views
Re: Nynaeve should not have been made to swear the Oaths - 07/12/2010 03:22:49 PM 996 Views
Re: Nynaeve should not have been made to swear the Oaths - 07/12/2010 10:44:01 PM 758 Views
*shrugs* ... the oaths are lame and so full of holes the only value they bring is - 07/12/2010 03:26:21 PM 771 Views
I wonder what would have happened if she refused and left the tower entirely. - 07/12/2010 03:30:58 PM 764 Views
I doubt they would have stopped her ... but there was no real reason for her to refuse the - 07/12/2010 03:34:20 PM 725 Views
no there wasn't a real reason for her to refuse. It'd still be interesting if she did *NM* - 07/12/2010 03:37:45 PM 364 Views
would have made for an interesting spin on the plot - 07/12/2010 05:37:31 PM 704 Views
How is she not a lead? - 07/12/2010 06:25:45 PM 682 Views
She has never really had her own unique plot line - 07/12/2010 06:34:40 PM 657 Views
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that - 07/12/2010 07:46:08 PM 716 Views
Nothing to really argue here except perspective ... to each their own *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:26:04 PM 355 Views
Re: *shrugs* ... the oaths are lame and so full of holes the only value they bring is - 07/12/2010 10:49:12 PM 745 Views
I think that is true of the testing not the Oaths - 08/12/2010 05:08:22 PM 673 Views
she shouldn't have, although I think they should trash the oaths in general - 07/12/2010 03:29:21 PM 687 Views
agreed! and I think Nynaeve's testing rather proved that point - 07/12/2010 03:35:38 PM 749 Views
Especially since Egwene herself didn't really think it necessary for herself to take the tests - 07/12/2010 03:43:18 PM 728 Views
well it looks like such a coalition is part of the plan - 07/12/2010 03:47:03 PM 713 Views
I meant one that would destroy the White Tower - 07/12/2010 03:53:35 PM 775 Views
ahh I see. well maybe they shall - 07/12/2010 04:00:52 PM 670 Views
She was always going to have to swear the Oaths - 07/12/2010 04:42:59 PM 691 Views
Good old political necessity - 07/12/2010 06:29:26 PM 597 Views
Amyrlin's decree - 07/12/2010 09:56:51 PM 678 Views
Brace yourselves, everybody... - 08/12/2010 02:56:43 PM 631 Views
Ooops, double post! *NM* - 08/12/2010 02:58:01 PM 353 Views
And what? To miss all the awesomeness she had before/during/after the test? - 07/12/2010 06:27:23 PM 661 Views
I agree about the test, kind of. The Oaths was going too far. - 07/12/2010 07:02:43 PM 817 Views
Re: I agree about the test, kind of. The Oaths was going too far. - 16/12/2010 10:40:39 AM 555 Views
And yet people keep choosing donuts over lettuce *NM* - 16/12/2010 10:47:04 AM 372 Views
It's supposed to be a required part of being Aes Sedai. - 08/12/2010 08:52:34 AM 626 Views
Has Egwene swore the Oaths? - 08/12/2010 03:11:37 PM 737 Views
Yes - she swore on the Oath Rod in TGS. *NM* - 08/12/2010 03:22:31 PM 406 Views
Love Nynaeve... - 10/12/2010 09:49:13 AM 630 Views
On the contrary, being Aes Sedai means she had to swear the Oaths. - 14/12/2010 04:53:28 AM 615 Views
Re: On the contrary, being Aes Sedai means she had to swear the Oaths. - 14/12/2010 11:53:43 AM 685 Views
Passing your scars on - 14/12/2010 07:07:43 PM 542 Views
Re: Passing your scars on - 14/12/2010 10:45:01 PM 707 Views
Actually I'm not being flippant - 15/12/2010 05:58:22 AM 645 Views
So? - 15/12/2010 11:40:32 AM 708 Views

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