I still don't agree; sorry. I don't think this theory applies to everyone.
RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 06/12/2010 05:30:41 PM
Maybe I'm just not a super-fan or don't take fantasy seriously, but when I read them, I'm using my imagination - I'm not engaging my belief system and in many cases, not even the full extent of my critical thinking (that is what separates WoT from most other stories of this genre - I actually think about the series and the overarching narrative).
For example, I never "ignored the implausibility of the possibility of animals talking and etc". I never had to, because I never took the story literally and thus, it never had to contend with my understanding of reality. It resembled a logic argument to me, versus an actual reflection of reality - "If x is given as true and y is given as true than z is the result" is often used in fantasy series, and most readers (I feel) don't really try to disprove the rules of the author, because it would be counter-productive.
I don't agree with Coleridges' idea in the first place, as that has never been my reading experience. It seems to me that the main difference is that I have always had an active imagination, and never had a problem separating reality from the fantastic.
Basically, I've never had to suspend my disbelief to read a story about fairies. Maybe other readers have to do this, but I, personally, do not take a fairy story seriously enough to have to go to that step.
Keep in mind from the first that I had already disagreed with core elements of Coleridges' theory - I don't think human interest or a semblance of truth is in "The Wheel of Time", thus it follows my opinion that "suspension of disbelief" doesn't apply in this case. I still think that a series more grounded in truth and human experience, such as Butlers' "Kindred", inspires the need to invoke this suspension whereas a comic book or serial fantasy doesn't.
For example, I never "ignored the implausibility of the possibility of animals talking and etc". I never had to, because I never took the story literally and thus, it never had to contend with my understanding of reality. It resembled a logic argument to me, versus an actual reflection of reality - "If x is given as true and y is given as true than z is the result" is often used in fantasy series, and most readers (I feel) don't really try to disprove the rules of the author, because it would be counter-productive.
I don't agree with Coleridges' idea in the first place, as that has never been my reading experience. It seems to me that the main difference is that I have always had an active imagination, and never had a problem separating reality from the fantastic.
Basically, I've never had to suspend my disbelief to read a story about fairies. Maybe other readers have to do this, but I, personally, do not take a fairy story seriously enough to have to go to that step.
Keep in mind from the first that I had already disagreed with core elements of Coleridges' theory - I don't think human interest or a semblance of truth is in "The Wheel of Time", thus it follows my opinion that "suspension of disbelief" doesn't apply in this case. I still think that a series more grounded in truth and human experience, such as Butlers' "Kindred", inspires the need to invoke this suspension whereas a comic book or serial fantasy doesn't.
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This message last edited by RugbyPlayingAshaman on 07/12/2010 at 03:22:51 PM
Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot...
- 28/11/2010 03:38:14 PM
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- 28/11/2010 04:05:48 PM
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- 29/11/2010 12:27:27 AM
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Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot...
- 29/11/2010 12:36:49 AM
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Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot...
- 29/11/2010 01:59:18 AM
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Yes, she still lets herself be ruled by her desire to control everything
- 29/11/2010 02:39:34 AM
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I vote it has come to pass
- 29/11/2010 02:48:26 AM
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Re: I vote it has come to pass
- 29/11/2010 09:42:51 AM
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Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot...
- 28/11/2010 04:43:46 PM
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Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot...
- 28/11/2010 04:49:23 PM
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Indeed
- 28/11/2010 06:16:41 PM
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am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks
- 28/11/2010 08:00:23 PM
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Re: am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks
- 29/11/2010 06:40:18 PM
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And in the interest of fairness, SH should've been all up in Osangar's intimate business
- 29/11/2010 11:34:21 PM
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Agreed. The series is formulaic and predictable, and even I expected a few more twists.
- 28/11/2010 07:47:10 PM
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I'm sure that all the men Ituralde lost would agree with you about it being a breeze -_-
- 29/11/2010 12:32:56 AM
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Byar was compulsed
- 29/11/2010 12:46:01 AM
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Re: Byar was compulsed
- 29/11/2010 12:54:38 PM
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Re: Byar was compulsed
- 29/11/2010 12:59:31 PM
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Re: Byar was compulsed
- 29/11/2010 01:10:18 PM
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He disbelieves in the Heroes
- 29/11/2010 03:33:27 PM
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I think that's his mind deceiving itself
- 29/11/2010 07:19:05 PM
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I didn't say he was necessarily Compulsed
- 30/11/2010 07:40:51 AM
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Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves?
- 30/11/2010 11:55:42 AM
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They did get another thing right
- 29/11/2010 12:40:52 AM
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Not Mat's fault, really - Verin didn't rehash her opinion of him.
- 29/11/2010 02:18:17 AM
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It's the WOT Red Shirt syndrome
- 29/11/2010 04:29:12 AM
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I don't want everyone to win and end up happily ever after though.
- 29/11/2010 04:33:06 AM
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The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable
- 29/11/2010 04:41:04 AM
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Re: The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable
- 29/11/2010 09:50:26 AM
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It's a well told story with fun characters overall, but it's definitely not "War & Peace"
- 29/11/2010 06:33:12 PM
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War and Peace was very thematic
- 30/11/2010 05:00:30 AM
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Re: War and Peace was very thematic
- 30/11/2010 09:35:50 AM
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I'm not really sure if or why any reader would need to suspend disbelief to enjoy WoT
- 30/11/2010 10:31:49 PM
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I've always thought of this series (and fantasy in general) are a bit like Aesop's Fables
- 30/11/2010 10:44:09 PM
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Please tell me what drugs you're on
- 01/12/2010 04:04:39 AM
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It's called 'reality' - I agree with LadyLorraine & Moratcorlm
- 01/12/2010 07:57:35 PM
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You are absolutely wrong.
- 02/12/2010 04:53:52 AM
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You are incorrect - you should read the definition you reference before posting it.
- 02/12/2010 04:19:16 PM
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No, I read the ENTIRE article, unlike you. You have to scroll down a bit.
- 02/12/2010 05:47:13 PM
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No, you need to read and comprehend. That was a THEORY.
- 02/12/2010 07:11:01 PM
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It's really very simple.
- 04/12/2010 12:31:16 AM
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mk, I think I understand more what you meant now after reading this exchange
- 05/12/2010 05:42:47 AM
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I still don't agree; sorry. I don't think this theory applies to everyone.
- 06/12/2010 05:30:41 PM
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No, those are disbeliefs that you must suspend.
- 01/12/2010 08:18:25 PM
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You have to feel the characters are somehow believable to empathize with them.
- 02/12/2010 01:05:29 AM
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I don't see how WoT's writing (Before, or now) prevents that
- 02/12/2010 04:12:54 AM
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I'm not arguing that it necessarily does for everyone, just that YOU HAVE TO SUSPEND DISBELIEF
- 02/12/2010 04:48:51 AM
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Black Tower
- 30/11/2010 01:50:29 AM
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Re: Black Tower
- 30/11/2010 01:57:48 AM
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No, the worst case scenario is that the entire tower becomes 13+13'd and fights for the Shadow
- 30/11/2010 04:03:07 AM
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Hopper's death... oh god...
- 01/12/2010 01:00:12 AM
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while i miss hopper
- 02/12/2010 04:19:28 AM
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Re: while i miss hopper
- 02/12/2010 05:30:52 PM
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Hopper wasn't that important, either, though.
- 03/12/2010 02:32:10 PM
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