why are you assuming that all souls are the same?
LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 04/12/2010 07:18:10 PM
And I'm not presenting my statements as "proof". I don't know whether they die permanently or not and I suppose it could go either way. I am not trying to prove anything myself. I am pointing out the flaws in your proofs. Your evidence is relying on unreliable statements (no concrete evidence) from people who don't know anything about human souls. Just because Birgitte knows MORE doesn't mean she's either correct or accurate. I've read statements of a lot of knowledgeable people in scientific or clinical fields that are STUPID wrong. Even if she is correct, her soul is presently different than a human soul. When she does, it goes to T'A'R'. When a human soul dies, it goes elsewhere. If you kill Birgitte's soul in T'A'R', it has no where to go, it's already dead in its destination.
As an additional thought, there's the everyday risk that your nightmare will enter into T'A'R' and if you die you're dead. This is something that affects neither dreamers, nor wolfbrothers, nor Heroes. it's possible that these unlucky people are just "Dead", but given the general patterns throughout the cosmology of Randland, I doubt this. They probably just die and their souls go wherever human souls go. However, they would be being killed in T'A'R' just like any Dreamer. Jordan does not strike me as being the sort of author who would prescribe this fate for his peasantry and non-heroic innocents.
As an additional thought, there's the everyday risk that your nightmare will enter into T'A'R' and if you die you're dead. This is something that affects neither dreamers, nor wolfbrothers, nor Heroes. it's possible that these unlucky people are just "Dead", but given the general patterns throughout the cosmology of Randland, I doubt this. They probably just die and their souls go wherever human souls go. However, they would be being killed in T'A'R' just like any Dreamer. Jordan does not strike me as being the sort of author who would prescribe this fate for his peasantry and non-heroic innocents.
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Egwene and the WIse Ones don't know the most basic thing about Teleranriod
02/12/2010 10:43:16 PM
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IIRC Nicola was killed by a Black Ajah Sister and Egwene had tried to save her.
02/12/2010 10:52:01 PM
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Yes, I meant allowing her near the battle in the first place
03/12/2010 06:28:45 AM
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And who would enforce those rules?
03/12/2010 12:42:33 PM
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Also, I'm not sure how you could expect the Wise Ones to know that.
03/12/2010 02:51:43 PM
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How do you figure?
02/12/2010 10:55:15 PM
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Re: How do you figure?
02/12/2010 11:06:29 PM
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may, being the operative word.
02/12/2010 11:12:49 PM
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except for the part of the soul that stays in the sleeping body, like they've explained many times. *NM*
02/12/2010 11:16:43 PM
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mmm fair point. maybe if you were there "too strongly"?
02/12/2010 11:18:50 PM
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right. but i dont think 'too strongly' ever means completely. maybe in the flesh or something *NM*
03/12/2010 01:24:38 AM
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Oh, I see.
02/12/2010 11:45:37 PM
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Re: Oh, I see.
03/12/2010 02:29:30 AM
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Re: Oh, I see.
03/12/2010 02:45:59 AM
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He isn't a wolfbrother
03/12/2010 05:43:06 AM
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You raise an interesting possibility
03/12/2010 06:44:18 AM
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Wolfbrothers are going to be part of the next age.
03/12/2010 07:05:30 AM
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I thought they were just a transitional thing
03/12/2010 07:13:17 AM
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I doubt it, that Age is ours.
03/12/2010 09:33:03 PM
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I know RJ said something
04/12/2010 06:15:51 AM
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Re: I know RJ said something
04/12/2010 07:05:50 AM
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So...
04/12/2010 07:24:07 AM
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Re: So...
04/12/2010 10:12:45 AM
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Of course...
05/12/2010 08:21:05 PM
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If the first age is the Technological / Scientific Age
06/12/2010 06:33:18 AM
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I don't see why they would have to be unique themes.
06/12/2010 07:04:08 AM
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I don't even know why they're supposed to be mutually exclusive. *NM*
06/12/2010 07:37:35 AM
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No, because Heroes and Wolves are both different from run of the mill humans
03/12/2010 09:19:05 AM
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That's far from "the most basic" thing and it is entirely excusable that they do not know it.
02/12/2010 11:17:46 PM
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Re: That's far from "the most basic" thing and it is entirely excusable that they do not know it.
03/12/2010 02:42:39 AM
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It could be extrapolated from the fact that it's souls that inhabit it
03/12/2010 06:54:40 AM
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You're caving to bias from being outside the story with more information than any single character.
03/12/2010 09:13:12 AM
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Don't forget the Heroes
03/12/2010 09:34:43 AM
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I think that she meant that comment as more for the "hero" version
03/12/2010 10:57:38 AM
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Maybe this should be a question for Sanderson?
03/12/2010 11:43:54 AM
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that's only because you're stubbornly holding to yours, despite everyone indicating its errors *NM*
03/12/2010 05:29:15 PM
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Obviously my tenacity indicates that I have a worthy point
03/12/2010 07:06:18 PM
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Perrin doesn't count since his information is from Hopper
03/12/2010 09:58:01 PM
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So it's my evidence against your non-evidence?
04/12/2010 06:05:41 AM
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why are you assuming that all souls are the same?
04/12/2010 07:18:10 PM
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Incidentally, wouldn't that mean it is safer to go to Tel'aran'rhiod in the flesh? *NM*
03/12/2010 09:35:21 PM
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I'm more inclined to believe that being killed in the flesh in TAR
04/12/2010 07:35:15 PM
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Where does that reasoning begin?
04/12/2010 07:53:42 PM
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Perhaps it's more of a matter that the "usual route" may be altered?
04/12/2010 10:20:51 PM
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But human souls don't go to Tel'aran'rhiod, from what we know.
04/12/2010 11:19:53 PM
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maybe it does?
05/12/2010 12:18:05 AM
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So do we have any reason to believe this is the case? *NM*
05/12/2010 02:48:48 AM
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Not @ all - if humans regularly go to TAR after they die, we'd have seen it already. Heroes would
04/12/2010 01:28:45 AM
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