The "GASP Moment" that produced so much speculation leading up to KoD
Joel Send a noteboard - 01/12/2010 03:13:56 PM
That was in the series? And someone called it "heartbreaking"?
And was significant only in how underwhelming it was. We were supposed to be shocked at an entire nation committing ritual suicide by first poisoning all their children and then themselves all in response to fulfillment of a prophecy connected with the Last Battle (that the shining Choedan Kal in Tremalking portended the end of the World of Illusions). We were supposed to be horrified that they were HAPPY about it (it was set up as a big fake out when the smiling idiot in the CoT Epilogue runs off to tell his fellow cultists the "good" news about the statue). The Sea Folk were traumatized to the point it disrupted a diplomatic meeting with Rands emissaries, IIRC, but they had an advantage readers lacked: They'd actually ENCOUNTERED the Amayar for more than five seconds. Jordan didn't take into account the fact that it's hard for most people to get worked up about genocide in a world we know is fictional to begin and that affects a race to which none of us has even had the chance to form any attachment anyway. When Aviendhas visions in ToM raise the prospect of wiping out the Aiel I actually care a little bit because I "know" the Aiel, individually and as a culture. Telling me the Amayar murdered their own children then killed themselves matters about as much to me as telling me the same thing about the Sharans would.
It wouldn't be a big deal if it hadn't been built up as the GASP Moment that generated so much speculation in the months before KoDs release and left most of us still searching for it even after finishing the book. Big 'splosions are well and good (though we don't even see the Amayar on screen when they're dying; a Windfinder tells us later) but if I tried to tell my mom why Moiraines rescue was a big deal she wouldn't care even after I explained it.
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This message last edited by Joel on 02/12/2010 at 01:08:58 AM
So...what was this "heartbreaking scene" with Olver in ToM?
01/12/2010 04:12:34 AM
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His POV almost angered me
01/12/2010 04:48:14 AM
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olver is upset you feel that way. olver just wants to be able to kill the shaido that took his dad
01/12/2010 07:33:43 AM
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Just then Shaidar Haran came and cut off Olvers head.
01/12/2010 11:53:59 AM
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There's really absolutely no point to his character if he isn't Gaidal Cain.
01/12/2010 02:16:26 PM
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He's EveryCairhienin; prob'ly RJ didn't call him that 'cos it hurts the eye and mouth too much.
01/12/2010 02:50:30 PM
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That reply made me wish we had a vomiting smiley. Melodramatic much? *NM*
02/12/2010 12:49:03 AM
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can do double duty, but they call it "Epic Fantasy" for a reason.
02/12/2010 01:04:42 AM
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That theory never even made sense.
01/12/2010 07:45:49 PM
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What are you talking about?
02/12/2010 12:50:00 AM
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He's too old
02/12/2010 01:47:03 AM
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No he isn't.
02/12/2010 04:57:46 AM
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Yes, yes he is.
02/12/2010 06:27:25 AM
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I can deal with the "spoiled" part (more or less) but it sure doesn't make him sympathetic. *NM*
01/12/2010 02:15:04 PM
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I believe someone posted before, and I do forget who, but I shall paraphrase.
01/12/2010 05:44:58 AM
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Hehe
01/12/2010 01:57:16 PM
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I really don't remember that
01/12/2010 02:17:52 PM
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Re: I really don't remember that
01/12/2010 02:19:58 PM
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Hah, I remember that. He was all "Everyone killed themselves! It's SAD!"
01/12/2010 03:08:24 PM
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And here it registered so little with me I don't even remember it happening.
02/12/2010 12:54:40 AM
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The "GASP Moment" that produced so much speculation leading up to KoD
01/12/2010 03:13:56 PM
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I think it was supposed to be heartbreaking that a child was spending his days
01/12/2010 05:42:40 PM
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no...no I don't forget. I have a good emotional memory and it wasn't THAT long ago...
01/12/2010 08:16:17 PM
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I generally liked ToM, but the Olver PoV did make me cringe a bit. *NM*
02/12/2010 02:12:54 PM
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