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I think that's his mind deceiving itself LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 29/11/2010 07:19:05 PM
In order to justify Byar's extreme beliefs of Dragon=evil, Perrin=Evil-Incarnate, those CAN NOT be the Heroes. If they are the heroes, then the beliefs that Byar has clung to (however misguided, they are not evil by nature) will unravel.

He's already not incredibly stable; Galad could easily have been the catalyst for his mind to just lose it.

Byar is an extreme individual who is very tightly wound into his beliefs and inherently unstable. I don't think any compulsion was necessary, and I don't think Graendal needed to do a single thing. In fact, I doubt she had a thing to do with it. At the most, she knew of his volatility and "hoped". But I don't think she influenced his actions in the slightest.

Remember, unlike Aram and Masema, Byar has not changed his beliefs or his manner in the slightest. I think he contained himself more due to others' influences, but his behavior has not changed. I think there was just one too many straws on his mind and he SNAPPED.
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Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Shannow - 28/11/2010 03:38:14 PM 2611 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:05:48 PM 1287 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:27:27 AM 1195 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:36:49 AM 1175 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 01:59:18 AM 1191 Views
Yes, she still lets herself be ruled by her desire to control everything Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:39:34 AM 1150 Views
I vote it has come to pass Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 02:48:26 AM 1041 Views
*facepalm* - good point, not sure how I missed that. *NM* Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 03:12:00 AM 618 Views
Re: I vote it has come to pass Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:42:51 AM 1041 Views
Prophecy never said she would be angry at the time, Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 11:36:53 AM 1085 Views
lol true, gg *NM* Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 11:52:54 AM 588 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... lodlom - 28/11/2010 04:43:46 PM 1224 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:49:23 PM 1142 Views
Aviendha's vision doesn't automatically mean the Light will win Ava - 28/11/2010 05:32:56 PM 1432 Views
She doesn't even see that. The arches just show a possibility. LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:12:05 PM 981 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/11/2010 06:16:41 PM 1100 Views
am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks newyorkersedai - 28/11/2010 08:00:23 PM 1291 Views
i think most people feel that way Sidious - 29/11/2010 09:06:44 AM 1124 Views
I agree with you darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 05:13:38 PM 923 Views
Re: am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:40:18 PM 1059 Views
And in the interest of fairness, SH should've been all up in Osangar's intimate business newyorkersedai - 29/11/2010 11:34:21 PM 1101 Views
Agreed. The series is formulaic and predictable, and even I expected a few more twists. Tom - 28/11/2010 07:47:10 PM 1172 Views
Good reading for adrenaline junkies, maybe. *NM* moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:32:53 AM 649 Views
I'm sure that all the men Ituralde lost would agree with you about it being a breeze -_- Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 12:32:56 AM 1048 Views
Byar was compulsed Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 12:46:01 AM 1358 Views
I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:16:45 AM 1006 Views
Re: I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:44:05 AM 968 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 12:54:38 PM 1318 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:59:31 PM 1030 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 01:10:18 PM 1049 Views
He disbelieves in the Heroes guttering flame - 29/11/2010 03:33:27 PM 1010 Views
I think that's his mind deceiving itself LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:19:05 PM 1071 Views
I didn't say he was necessarily Compulsed guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:40:51 AM 960 Views
Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 11:55:42 AM 1082 Views
Re: Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? guttering flame - 30/11/2010 12:05:44 PM 973 Views
he makes no mention of the Heroes. LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:42:13 PM 1070 Views
They did get another thing right Fox and Ravens - 29/11/2010 12:40:52 AM 1062 Views
Not Mat's fault, really - Verin didn't rehash her opinion of him. Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:18:17 AM 1016 Views
It's the WOT Red Shirt syndrome ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:29:12 AM 1137 Views
I don't want everyone to win and end up happily ever after though. moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 04:33:06 AM 1013 Views
The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:41:04 AM 1156 Views
Re: The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:50:26 AM 1144 Views
You, good sir, are Team Aan'allein - 30/11/2010 06:53:49 PM 946 Views
I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:50:34 PM 936 Views
Re: I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:47:27 AM 1067 Views
It's a well told story with fun characters overall, but it's definitely not "War & Peace" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:33:12 PM 1184 Views
+1 *NM* Tom - 29/11/2010 07:18:13 PM 549 Views
it is. I love it anyways, though LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:23:24 PM 976 Views
War and Peace was very thematic moratcorlm - 30/11/2010 05:00:30 AM 1387 Views
Doublethink for the win! *NM* guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:35:20 AM 574 Views
Re: War and Peace was very thematic Lo'oris - 30/11/2010 09:35:50 AM 1006 Views
I'm not really sure if or why any reader would need to suspend disbelief to enjoy WoT RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/11/2010 10:31:49 PM 994 Views
I've always thought of this series (and fantasy in general) are a bit like Aesop's Fables LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:44:09 PM 934 Views
Please tell me what drugs you're on Tom - 01/12/2010 04:04:39 AM 1098 Views
It's called 'reality' - I agree with LadyLorraine & Moratcorlm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/12/2010 07:57:35 PM 1011 Views
You are absolutely wrong. Tom - 02/12/2010 04:53:52 AM 977 Views
You are incorrect - you should read the definition you reference before posting it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 04:19:16 PM 1134 Views
No, I read the ENTIRE article, unlike you. You have to scroll down a bit. Tom - 02/12/2010 05:47:13 PM 904 Views
No, you need to read and comprehend. That was a THEORY. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 07:11:01 PM 820 Views
It's really very simple. Tom - 04/12/2010 12:31:16 AM 1083 Views
mk, I think I understand more what you meant now after reading this exchange LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 05:42:47 AM 1019 Views
I still don't agree; sorry. I don't think this theory applies to everyone. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/12/2010 05:30:41 PM 1128 Views
No, those are disbeliefs that you must suspend. LadyLorraine - 01/12/2010 08:18:25 PM 921 Views
You have to feel the characters are somehow believable to empathize with them. Tom - 02/12/2010 01:05:29 AM 967 Views
I don't see how WoT's writing (Before, or now) prevents that LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 04:12:54 AM 826 Views
I'm not arguing that it necessarily does for everyone, just that YOU HAVE TO SUSPEND DISBELIEF Tom - 02/12/2010 04:48:51 AM 1021 Views
That's a load of crap... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2010 06:03:13 AM 1139 Views
Sure moratcorlm - 01/12/2010 01:30:03 AM 940 Views
Black Tower Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:50:29 AM 934 Views
Re: Black Tower RAAM - 30/11/2010 01:57:48 AM 1068 Views
No, the worst case scenario is that the entire tower becomes 13+13'd and fights for the Shadow Lord Haart - 30/11/2010 04:03:07 AM 888 Views
I agree with everything. Avendesora - 30/11/2010 01:37:11 PM 1078 Views
Hopper's death... oh god... saangrealsmoker - 01/12/2010 01:00:12 AM 1175 Views
while i miss hopper RAAM - 02/12/2010 04:19:28 AM 961 Views
Re: while i miss hopper saangrealsmoker - 02/12/2010 05:30:52 PM 1082 Views
Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/12/2010 02:32:10 PM 896 Views
Re: Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. Lo'oris - 03/12/2010 03:10:54 PM 930 Views
It would be awesome if it were, though. BlackAdder - 03/12/2010 04:41:42 PM 1057 Views
Re: It would be awesome if it were, though. saangrealsmoker - 04/12/2010 09:54:09 PM 1036 Views
Hopper Aes Sedai - 05/12/2010 07:07:44 AM 888 Views
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