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I think that's his mind deceiving itself LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 29/11/2010 07:19:05 PM
In order to justify Byar's extreme beliefs of Dragon=evil, Perrin=Evil-Incarnate, those CAN NOT be the Heroes. If they are the heroes, then the beliefs that Byar has clung to (however misguided, they are not evil by nature) will unravel.

He's already not incredibly stable; Galad could easily have been the catalyst for his mind to just lose it.

Byar is an extreme individual who is very tightly wound into his beliefs and inherently unstable. I don't think any compulsion was necessary, and I don't think Graendal needed to do a single thing. In fact, I doubt she had a thing to do with it. At the most, she knew of his volatility and "hoped". But I don't think she influenced his actions in the slightest.

Remember, unlike Aram and Masema, Byar has not changed his beliefs or his manner in the slightest. I think he contained himself more due to others' influences, but his behavior has not changed. I think there was just one too many straws on his mind and he SNAPPED.
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Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Shannow - 28/11/2010 03:38:14 PM 2600 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:05:48 PM 1277 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:27:27 AM 1184 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:36:49 AM 1163 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 01:59:18 AM 1181 Views
Yes, she still lets herself be ruled by her desire to control everything Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:39:34 AM 1142 Views
I vote it has come to pass Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 02:48:26 AM 1031 Views
*facepalm* - good point, not sure how I missed that. *NM* Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 03:12:00 AM 614 Views
Re: I vote it has come to pass Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:42:51 AM 1032 Views
Prophecy never said she would be angry at the time, Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 11:36:53 AM 1076 Views
lol true, gg *NM* Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 11:52:54 AM 584 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... lodlom - 28/11/2010 04:43:46 PM 1212 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:49:23 PM 1137 Views
Aviendha's vision doesn't automatically mean the Light will win Ava - 28/11/2010 05:32:56 PM 1420 Views
She doesn't even see that. The arches just show a possibility. LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:12:05 PM 968 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/11/2010 06:16:41 PM 1092 Views
am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks newyorkersedai - 28/11/2010 08:00:23 PM 1282 Views
i think most people feel that way Sidious - 29/11/2010 09:06:44 AM 1117 Views
I agree with you darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 05:13:38 PM 914 Views
Re: am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:40:18 PM 1044 Views
And in the interest of fairness, SH should've been all up in Osangar's intimate business newyorkersedai - 29/11/2010 11:34:21 PM 1090 Views
Agreed. The series is formulaic and predictable, and even I expected a few more twists. Tom - 28/11/2010 07:47:10 PM 1162 Views
Good reading for adrenaline junkies, maybe. *NM* moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:32:53 AM 644 Views
I'm sure that all the men Ituralde lost would agree with you about it being a breeze -_- Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 12:32:56 AM 1040 Views
Byar was compulsed Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 12:46:01 AM 1347 Views
I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:16:45 AM 1000 Views
Re: I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:44:05 AM 957 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 12:54:38 PM 1310 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:59:31 PM 1019 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 01:10:18 PM 1036 Views
He disbelieves in the Heroes guttering flame - 29/11/2010 03:33:27 PM 1002 Views
I think that's his mind deceiving itself LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:19:05 PM 1061 Views
I didn't say he was necessarily Compulsed guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:40:51 AM 948 Views
Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 11:55:42 AM 1067 Views
Re: Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? guttering flame - 30/11/2010 12:05:44 PM 964 Views
he makes no mention of the Heroes. LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:42:13 PM 1061 Views
They did get another thing right Fox and Ravens - 29/11/2010 12:40:52 AM 1052 Views
Not Mat's fault, really - Verin didn't rehash her opinion of him. Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:18:17 AM 1008 Views
It's the WOT Red Shirt syndrome ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:29:12 AM 1124 Views
I don't want everyone to win and end up happily ever after though. moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 04:33:06 AM 1006 Views
The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:41:04 AM 1149 Views
Re: The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:50:26 AM 1134 Views
You, good sir, are Team Aan'allein - 30/11/2010 06:53:49 PM 940 Views
I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:50:34 PM 925 Views
Re: I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:47:27 AM 1051 Views
It's a well told story with fun characters overall, but it's definitely not "War & Peace" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:33:12 PM 1174 Views
+1 *NM* Tom - 29/11/2010 07:18:13 PM 543 Views
it is. I love it anyways, though LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:23:24 PM 964 Views
War and Peace was very thematic moratcorlm - 30/11/2010 05:00:30 AM 1374 Views
Doublethink for the win! *NM* guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:35:20 AM 569 Views
Re: War and Peace was very thematic Lo'oris - 30/11/2010 09:35:50 AM 994 Views
I'm not really sure if or why any reader would need to suspend disbelief to enjoy WoT RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/11/2010 10:31:49 PM 980 Views
I've always thought of this series (and fantasy in general) are a bit like Aesop's Fables LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:44:09 PM 922 Views
Please tell me what drugs you're on Tom - 01/12/2010 04:04:39 AM 1082 Views
It's called 'reality' - I agree with LadyLorraine & Moratcorlm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/12/2010 07:57:35 PM 1002 Views
You are absolutely wrong. Tom - 02/12/2010 04:53:52 AM 966 Views
You are incorrect - you should read the definition you reference before posting it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 04:19:16 PM 1121 Views
No, I read the ENTIRE article, unlike you. You have to scroll down a bit. Tom - 02/12/2010 05:47:13 PM 894 Views
No, you need to read and comprehend. That was a THEORY. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 07:11:01 PM 814 Views
It's really very simple. Tom - 04/12/2010 12:31:16 AM 1069 Views
mk, I think I understand more what you meant now after reading this exchange LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 05:42:47 AM 1013 Views
I still don't agree; sorry. I don't think this theory applies to everyone. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/12/2010 05:30:41 PM 1115 Views
No, those are disbeliefs that you must suspend. LadyLorraine - 01/12/2010 08:18:25 PM 910 Views
You have to feel the characters are somehow believable to empathize with them. Tom - 02/12/2010 01:05:29 AM 957 Views
I don't see how WoT's writing (Before, or now) prevents that LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 04:12:54 AM 818 Views
I'm not arguing that it necessarily does for everyone, just that YOU HAVE TO SUSPEND DISBELIEF Tom - 02/12/2010 04:48:51 AM 1013 Views
That's a load of crap... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2010 06:03:13 AM 1127 Views
Sure moratcorlm - 01/12/2010 01:30:03 AM 931 Views
Black Tower Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:50:29 AM 925 Views
Re: Black Tower RAAM - 30/11/2010 01:57:48 AM 1056 Views
No, the worst case scenario is that the entire tower becomes 13+13'd and fights for the Shadow Lord Haart - 30/11/2010 04:03:07 AM 881 Views
I agree with everything. Avendesora - 30/11/2010 01:37:11 PM 1071 Views
Hopper's death... oh god... saangrealsmoker - 01/12/2010 01:00:12 AM 1167 Views
while i miss hopper RAAM - 02/12/2010 04:19:28 AM 943 Views
Re: while i miss hopper saangrealsmoker - 02/12/2010 05:30:52 PM 1075 Views
Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/12/2010 02:32:10 PM 888 Views
Re: Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. Lo'oris - 03/12/2010 03:10:54 PM 919 Views
It would be awesome if it were, though. BlackAdder - 03/12/2010 04:41:42 PM 1050 Views
Re: It would be awesome if it were, though. saangrealsmoker - 04/12/2010 09:54:09 PM 1024 Views
Hopper Aes Sedai - 05/12/2010 07:07:44 AM 881 Views
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