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Re: The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable Lo'oris Send a noteboard - 29/11/2010 09:50:26 AM
However within that I want believability

While I totally agree that believability is very very important, I think that even more than that narrative coherence must be enforced.

Since in this whole series the main characters never die, well, they never die. You can't expect them to die just in the last book, it would be stupid. Either they meet their fate constantly throughout the series, or they don't at all.

This is a mistake Araki made in the third series of Jojo: all the characters survive through dozens of fights, and then a lot of them die just in the final chapters. It doesn't make any more sense than them not dying at all, and it is not narratively coherent.
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Io iudico bene questo: che sia meglio essere impetuoso che respettivo, perché la fortuna è donna ed è necessario, volendola tenere sotto, batterla e urtarla.
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Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Shannow - 28/11/2010 03:38:14 PM 2694 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:05:48 PM 1362 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:27:27 AM 1274 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:36:49 AM 1259 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 01:59:18 AM 1281 Views
Yes, she still lets herself be ruled by her desire to control everything Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:39:34 AM 1236 Views
I vote it has come to pass Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 02:48:26 AM 1101 Views
*facepalm* - good point, not sure how I missed that. *NM* Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 03:12:00 AM 655 Views
Re: I vote it has come to pass Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:42:51 AM 1100 Views
Prophecy never said she would be angry at the time, Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 11:36:53 AM 1173 Views
lol true, gg *NM* Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 11:52:54 AM 629 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... lodlom - 28/11/2010 04:43:46 PM 1279 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:49:23 PM 1223 Views
Aviendha's vision doesn't automatically mean the Light will win Ava - 28/11/2010 05:32:56 PM 1520 Views
She doesn't even see that. The arches just show a possibility. LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:12:05 PM 1056 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/11/2010 06:16:41 PM 1176 Views
am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks newyorkersedai - 28/11/2010 08:00:23 PM 1377 Views
i think most people feel that way Sidious - 29/11/2010 09:06:44 AM 1206 Views
I agree with you darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 05:13:38 PM 1002 Views
Re: am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:40:18 PM 1139 Views
And in the interest of fairness, SH should've been all up in Osangar's intimate business newyorkersedai - 29/11/2010 11:34:21 PM 1185 Views
Agreed. The series is formulaic and predictable, and even I expected a few more twists. Tom - 28/11/2010 07:47:10 PM 1248 Views
Good reading for adrenaline junkies, maybe. *NM* moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:32:53 AM 684 Views
I'm sure that all the men Ituralde lost would agree with you about it being a breeze -_- Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 12:32:56 AM 1135 Views
Byar was compulsed Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 12:46:01 AM 1441 Views
I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:16:45 AM 1086 Views
Re: I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:44:05 AM 1061 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 12:54:38 PM 1397 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:59:31 PM 1116 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 01:10:18 PM 1131 Views
He disbelieves in the Heroes guttering flame - 29/11/2010 03:33:27 PM 1090 Views
I think that's his mind deceiving itself LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:19:05 PM 1143 Views
I didn't say he was necessarily Compulsed guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:40:51 AM 1045 Views
Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 11:55:42 AM 1167 Views
Re: Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? guttering flame - 30/11/2010 12:05:44 PM 1028 Views
he makes no mention of the Heroes. LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:42:13 PM 1141 Views
They did get another thing right Fox and Ravens - 29/11/2010 12:40:52 AM 1141 Views
Not Mat's fault, really - Verin didn't rehash her opinion of him. Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:18:17 AM 1096 Views
It's the WOT Red Shirt syndrome ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:29:12 AM 1222 Views
I don't want everyone to win and end up happily ever after though. moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 04:33:06 AM 1120 Views
The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:41:04 AM 1246 Views
Re: The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:50:26 AM 1226 Views
You, good sir, are Team Aan'allein - 30/11/2010 06:53:49 PM 1026 Views
I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:50:34 PM 1004 Views
Re: I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:47:27 AM 1134 Views
It's a well told story with fun characters overall, but it's definitely not "War & Peace" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:33:12 PM 1235 Views
+1 *NM* Tom - 29/11/2010 07:18:13 PM 584 Views
it is. I love it anyways, though LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:23:24 PM 1027 Views
War and Peace was very thematic moratcorlm - 30/11/2010 05:00:30 AM 1466 Views
Doublethink for the win! *NM* guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:35:20 AM 612 Views
Re: War and Peace was very thematic Lo'oris - 30/11/2010 09:35:50 AM 1087 Views
I'm not really sure if or why any reader would need to suspend disbelief to enjoy WoT RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/11/2010 10:31:49 PM 1074 Views
I've always thought of this series (and fantasy in general) are a bit like Aesop's Fables LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:44:09 PM 1014 Views
Please tell me what drugs you're on Tom - 01/12/2010 04:04:39 AM 1182 Views
It's called 'reality' - I agree with LadyLorraine & Moratcorlm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/12/2010 07:57:35 PM 1092 Views
You are absolutely wrong. Tom - 02/12/2010 04:53:52 AM 1063 Views
You are incorrect - you should read the definition you reference before posting it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 04:19:16 PM 1185 Views
No, I read the ENTIRE article, unlike you. You have to scroll down a bit. Tom - 02/12/2010 05:47:13 PM 984 Views
No, you need to read and comprehend. That was a THEORY. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 07:11:01 PM 895 Views
It's really very simple. Tom - 04/12/2010 12:31:16 AM 1170 Views
mk, I think I understand more what you meant now after reading this exchange LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 05:42:47 AM 1104 Views
I still don't agree; sorry. I don't think this theory applies to everyone. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/12/2010 05:30:41 PM 1203 Views
No, those are disbeliefs that you must suspend. LadyLorraine - 01/12/2010 08:18:25 PM 1008 Views
You have to feel the characters are somehow believable to empathize with them. Tom - 02/12/2010 01:05:29 AM 1054 Views
I don't see how WoT's writing (Before, or now) prevents that LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 04:12:54 AM 912 Views
I'm not arguing that it necessarily does for everyone, just that YOU HAVE TO SUSPEND DISBELIEF Tom - 02/12/2010 04:48:51 AM 1104 Views
That's a load of crap... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2010 06:03:13 AM 1243 Views
Sure moratcorlm - 01/12/2010 01:30:03 AM 1029 Views
Black Tower Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:50:29 AM 1012 Views
Re: Black Tower RAAM - 30/11/2010 01:57:48 AM 1145 Views
No, the worst case scenario is that the entire tower becomes 13+13'd and fights for the Shadow Lord Haart - 30/11/2010 04:03:07 AM 970 Views
I agree with everything. Avendesora - 30/11/2010 01:37:11 PM 1168 Views
Hopper's death... oh god... saangrealsmoker - 01/12/2010 01:00:12 AM 1258 Views
while i miss hopper RAAM - 02/12/2010 04:19:28 AM 1049 Views
Re: while i miss hopper saangrealsmoker - 02/12/2010 05:30:52 PM 1155 Views
Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/12/2010 02:32:10 PM 963 Views
Re: Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. Lo'oris - 03/12/2010 03:10:54 PM 1005 Views
It would be awesome if it were, though. BlackAdder - 03/12/2010 04:41:42 PM 1130 Views
Re: It would be awesome if it were, though. saangrealsmoker - 04/12/2010 09:54:09 PM 1111 Views
Hopper Aes Sedai - 05/12/2010 07:07:44 AM 969 Views
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