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Re: The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable Lo'oris Send a noteboard - 29/11/2010 09:50:26 AM
However within that I want believability

While I totally agree that believability is very very important, I think that even more than that narrative coherence must be enforced.

Since in this whole series the main characters never die, well, they never die. You can't expect them to die just in the last book, it would be stupid. Either they meet their fate constantly throughout the series, or they don't at all.

This is a mistake Araki made in the third series of Jojo: all the characters survive through dozens of fights, and then a lot of them die just in the final chapters. It doesn't make any more sense than them not dying at all, and it is not narratively coherent.
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Io iudico bene questo: che sia meglio essere impetuoso che respettivo, perché la fortuna è donna ed è necessario, volendola tenere sotto, batterla e urtarla.
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Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Shannow - 28/11/2010 03:38:14 PM 2702 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:05:48 PM 1368 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:27:27 AM 1281 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:36:49 AM 1267 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 01:59:18 AM 1286 Views
Yes, she still lets herself be ruled by her desire to control everything Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:39:34 AM 1243 Views
I vote it has come to pass Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 02:48:26 AM 1104 Views
*facepalm* - good point, not sure how I missed that. *NM* Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 03:12:00 AM 658 Views
Re: I vote it has come to pass Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:42:51 AM 1109 Views
Prophecy never said she would be angry at the time, Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 11:36:53 AM 1181 Views
lol true, gg *NM* Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 11:52:54 AM 633 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... lodlom - 28/11/2010 04:43:46 PM 1284 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:49:23 PM 1229 Views
Aviendha's vision doesn't automatically mean the Light will win Ava - 28/11/2010 05:32:56 PM 1526 Views
She doesn't even see that. The arches just show a possibility. LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:12:05 PM 1064 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/11/2010 06:16:41 PM 1184 Views
am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks newyorkersedai - 28/11/2010 08:00:23 PM 1388 Views
i think most people feel that way Sidious - 29/11/2010 09:06:44 AM 1213 Views
I agree with you darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 05:13:38 PM 1008 Views
Re: am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:40:18 PM 1145 Views
And in the interest of fairness, SH should've been all up in Osangar's intimate business newyorkersedai - 29/11/2010 11:34:21 PM 1191 Views
Agreed. The series is formulaic and predictable, and even I expected a few more twists. Tom - 28/11/2010 07:47:10 PM 1257 Views
Good reading for adrenaline junkies, maybe. *NM* moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:32:53 AM 687 Views
I'm sure that all the men Ituralde lost would agree with you about it being a breeze -_- Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 12:32:56 AM 1142 Views
Byar was compulsed Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 12:46:01 AM 1447 Views
I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:16:45 AM 1092 Views
Re: I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:44:05 AM 1067 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 12:54:38 PM 1407 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:59:31 PM 1124 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 01:10:18 PM 1139 Views
He disbelieves in the Heroes guttering flame - 29/11/2010 03:33:27 PM 1097 Views
I think that's his mind deceiving itself LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:19:05 PM 1150 Views
I didn't say he was necessarily Compulsed guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:40:51 AM 1052 Views
Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 11:55:42 AM 1176 Views
Re: Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? guttering flame - 30/11/2010 12:05:44 PM 1036 Views
he makes no mention of the Heroes. LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:42:13 PM 1150 Views
They did get another thing right Fox and Ravens - 29/11/2010 12:40:52 AM 1146 Views
Not Mat's fault, really - Verin didn't rehash her opinion of him. Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:18:17 AM 1105 Views
It's the WOT Red Shirt syndrome ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:29:12 AM 1228 Views
I don't want everyone to win and end up happily ever after though. moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 04:33:06 AM 1125 Views
The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:41:04 AM 1252 Views
Re: The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:50:26 AM 1233 Views
You, good sir, are Team Aan'allein - 30/11/2010 06:53:49 PM 1035 Views
I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:50:34 PM 1009 Views
Re: I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:47:27 AM 1141 Views
It's a well told story with fun characters overall, but it's definitely not "War & Peace" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:33:12 PM 1242 Views
+1 *NM* Tom - 29/11/2010 07:18:13 PM 588 Views
it is. I love it anyways, though LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:23:24 PM 1035 Views
War and Peace was very thematic moratcorlm - 30/11/2010 05:00:30 AM 1474 Views
Doublethink for the win! *NM* guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:35:20 AM 615 Views
Re: War and Peace was very thematic Lo'oris - 30/11/2010 09:35:50 AM 1095 Views
I'm not really sure if or why any reader would need to suspend disbelief to enjoy WoT RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/11/2010 10:31:49 PM 1081 Views
I've always thought of this series (and fantasy in general) are a bit like Aesop's Fables LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:44:09 PM 1020 Views
Please tell me what drugs you're on Tom - 01/12/2010 04:04:39 AM 1190 Views
It's called 'reality' - I agree with LadyLorraine & Moratcorlm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/12/2010 07:57:35 PM 1102 Views
You are absolutely wrong. Tom - 02/12/2010 04:53:52 AM 1073 Views
You are incorrect - you should read the definition you reference before posting it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 04:19:16 PM 1191 Views
No, I read the ENTIRE article, unlike you. You have to scroll down a bit. Tom - 02/12/2010 05:47:13 PM 991 Views
No, you need to read and comprehend. That was a THEORY. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 07:11:01 PM 902 Views
It's really very simple. Tom - 04/12/2010 12:31:16 AM 1197 Views
mk, I think I understand more what you meant now after reading this exchange LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 05:42:47 AM 1111 Views
I still don't agree; sorry. I don't think this theory applies to everyone. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/12/2010 05:30:41 PM 1208 Views
No, those are disbeliefs that you must suspend. LadyLorraine - 01/12/2010 08:18:25 PM 1014 Views
You have to feel the characters are somehow believable to empathize with them. Tom - 02/12/2010 01:05:29 AM 1062 Views
I don't see how WoT's writing (Before, or now) prevents that LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 04:12:54 AM 920 Views
I'm not arguing that it necessarily does for everyone, just that YOU HAVE TO SUSPEND DISBELIEF Tom - 02/12/2010 04:48:51 AM 1111 Views
That's a load of crap... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2010 06:03:13 AM 1249 Views
Sure moratcorlm - 01/12/2010 01:30:03 AM 1036 Views
Black Tower Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:50:29 AM 1020 Views
Re: Black Tower RAAM - 30/11/2010 01:57:48 AM 1152 Views
No, the worst case scenario is that the entire tower becomes 13+13'd and fights for the Shadow Lord Haart - 30/11/2010 04:03:07 AM 976 Views
I agree with everything. Avendesora - 30/11/2010 01:37:11 PM 1176 Views
Hopper's death... oh god... saangrealsmoker - 01/12/2010 01:00:12 AM 1263 Views
while i miss hopper RAAM - 02/12/2010 04:19:28 AM 1057 Views
Re: while i miss hopper saangrealsmoker - 02/12/2010 05:30:52 PM 1163 Views
Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/12/2010 02:32:10 PM 970 Views
Re: Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. Lo'oris - 03/12/2010 03:10:54 PM 1011 Views
It would be awesome if it were, though. BlackAdder - 03/12/2010 04:41:42 PM 1136 Views
Re: It would be awesome if it were, though. saangrealsmoker - 04/12/2010 09:54:09 PM 1119 Views
Hopper Aes Sedai - 05/12/2010 07:07:44 AM 975 Views
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