Re: You were right to dread... 
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- Edit 1Before modification by Fanatic-Templar at 21/11/2010 11:34:46 PM
What do you mean how do I know this? Didn't you read the extensive description of the black spikes? Or the way Rand's mind was warded from them?
I mean, how do you figure that Nynaeve should have replicated that rather than develop Healing.
How? We have no idea of the methodology. If we do, I'd like to see a quote for it.
Given that nothing would compel someone to channel within minutes of being Healed, the only way for this to be Healing like Nynaeve is if you for some reason assume that these people would start accessing the Taint even without channeling. This assertion is not credible, therefore, Ishamael was saying that the madness could not be Healed.
Nynaeve's Healing did not make the Asha'man fall back into madness after a few minutes, if so it would have been pretty important to mention, wouldn't it?
But a very critical variable had changed. The taint was no longer around when Nynaeve healed Naeff.
Of course yours is contradicted. Because those Aes Sedai were unable to Heal madness at a time when the taint was around.</quote?
Erm, no. There is nothing in the text that contradicts the idea that Aes Sedai were only capable of supressing the effects of the madness without being capable of Healing the madness itself.
Actually, it is a severely flawed analogy because you presume the subject will be immediately breathing again, which is correct. However, there is no reason that a Healed male channeler would start channeling again within minutes, nor is there any reason to believe that even if those few minutes were constantly spent channeling that it would drive men to a point of madness which has always been shown to require extended and constant use of saidin.
Erm, no. There is nothing in the text that contradicts the idea that Aes Sedai were only capable of supressing the effects of the madness without being capable of Healing the madness itself.
Here's a better analogy:
Say a person is in a room filled with a poisonous gas. You know how to treat the inhalation of the gas, and you administer it to this person. The moment you treat, he will immediately breate more bad air and regress again. So you can only give him a few moments of life.
Then, someone removes the poison gas. And I go in and do what you did, only now the man lives on since there is nothing poisoning him after treatment. We're doing the same thing, but having different effects.
You're saying Nynaeve and the older AS had to be doing different things since there were different effects. But you're completely ignoring the one major thing that is different: the taint.
Say a person is in a room filled with a poisonous gas. You know how to treat the inhalation of the gas, and you administer it to this person. The moment you treat, he will immediately breate more bad air and regress again. So you can only give him a few moments of life.
Then, someone removes the poison gas. And I go in and do what you did, only now the man lives on since there is nothing poisoning him after treatment. We're doing the same thing, but having different effects.
You're saying Nynaeve and the older AS had to be doing different things since there were different effects. But you're completely ignoring the one major thing that is different: the taint.
Actually, it is a severely flawed analogy because you presume the subject will be immediately breathing again, which is correct. However, there is no reason that a Healed male channeler would start channeling again within minutes, nor is there any reason to believe that even if those few minutes were constantly spent channeling that it would drive men to a point of madness which has always been shown to require extended and constant use of saidin.