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Re: Egwene... hmm... no. RAAM Send a noteboard - 20/11/2010 10:29:35 AM
ToM (Wounds) - 'This is not about me. Egwene al'Vere is a child. But the Amyrlin is not. I may be young, but the Seat in ancient... This place is what a person is. The Amyrlin is the White Tower, and the White Tower will not bend. It defies you, Mesaana, and your lies.'

This is absolute nonsense IMO. It's fair enough to say that what a person is determines their power in TAR, but the comparison is hugely flawed. The Amyrlin Seat is not more ancient or greater than the Forsaken (except for moral superiority, which TAR does not care about from the evidence we have). The Forsaken are much older than the Amyrlin Seat and are, even if falsely, legendary. Their legendary status is actually what gives them power here, and it is obvious as Egwene flees as soon as she senses Mesaana is in the room. She is afraid to face anything that is called 'Forsaken' because of the implications. Even the Wise Ones look pensive and restrained when Egwene says that she is facing one of the 'Shadowsouled'. Egwene actually defeats Mesaana by convincing her subconscious that Mesaana is not as great as she is, but the underlying theory that she puts forward is untrue. The Amyrlin Seat cannot match the Forsaken in terms of presence - indeed, the Forsaken are some of the oldest legends of the third Age, no matter how erroneously they were made.

I agree, it's kinda bullshit. Sorry, a year more or less of using TAR and now she's fucking better than Lanfear/Moghedien. Just stupid. I dont see how any of these freakin Forsaken survived, they are all huge losers who just luckily luckily lasted. I usually like Egwene but I thought this was a lame, lame way of offing Mesaana. Maybe in 100 years of experience she should out TAR her, but she's like an infant boxing Mike Tyson from all the stories of LTT about how 'badass' the Forsaken were


i had always thought that this scene was crap, it wasnt even a battle, it was egwene saying bullshit and then messana losing to twenty year old
WTF
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No no no - 04/12/2010 07:14:21 AM 946 Views
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