Re: Egwene Apologists: "Leave Egwene Alone! Waaaaah!" - Edit 1
Before modification by Variant at 17/11/2010 11:46:02 AM
1. The Tower was formed several hundred years after LTT sealed the bore and after the world was torn apart by the mad male Aes Sedai. Many of the records were lost. The Aes Sedai forgot much of what they knew including traveling. In TOM Egwene was trying to get information on the oath rod. There wasn't much information in the entire resources and knowledge of the White Tower on the oath rod. Why would there be much on the Seals? The female Aes Sedai in the AOL weren't part of making the seals. Why would the Tower have information on what the males were doing?
The seals are made of Cuendillar. They know how to make them. They have a fucking Cuendillar producing factory at the White Tower (Leane Sharif, Egwene, Bodewhin Cauthon). Seriously, how much more knowledge do they need to know about the seals? Not to mention everyone knows the seals are cumbling. Rand, Perrin, Elayne, Egwene, Moiraine, Cadsuane, Taim, Bashere …everyone but Bela knows about it.
2. At the present time the seals are the only thing keeping the DO from destroying the world. Without the seals, or a replacement the world is doomed. It is perfectly reasonable and rational for Egwene to want keep the seals in place until there is a better solution. Why break the seals without a replacement?
I feel like we’re going in circles - the seals have to be destroyed regardless what you want to do. If you want to reseal the bore, you have to destroy the old seals anyway. In Randland, It’s only a guess that the Pattern could unravel if the Dark One broke free of his prison altogether, there’s no hard evidence that will happen right away once he’s free. If the Dark One wins TG, then yes, the world is doomed. But if he’s resealed in his prison, or outright killed, likely the pattern will be safe.
Why hate/castigate Egwene because wants a better idea than let's break the seals and come up with a solution later?
What better idea did she want to come up with? Egwene didn't ask Rand why the seals needed to be broken, and obviously Rand knew she would knee jerk oppose him like she did.
Why hate Egwene because she gets the worlds leaders together to try to persuade Rand?
For the 100th fucking time, I’m not bothered with Egwene gathering world leaders to try and persuade Rand. I’m bothered that she doesn’t have any sort of alternative idea on what they should do instead. Why is this so difficult to understand? This really is the problem with Egwene, she has great many opinions, but seems to have little real world knowledge. It’s a valid criticism of the character.
Follow the trail of apples? Egwene is now all knowing, and has knowledge of what happens in one orchard in Andor? The Wise Ones think breaking the seals is wrong. Why should Egwene give more credence to Elayne and Nyneave than the Wise Ones?
Let’s just get something straight, the Wise Ones are going to follow whatever ZenRand wants to do. That’s pretty much a sure thing at this point, the only question is, what does ZenRand intend to do. We’ll likely find out at the meeting.
Do the Egwene Haters object to Egwene's response because Egwene proposed it? Give her a break.
What did she propose?????? She didn’t propose anything, and that’s the point, I want to her to actually propose an alternative plan.
It is fairly easy to predict how the Egwene Haters will respond. No matter what she does it will be taken as irrational, backstabbing, power tripping, and worthy of hate.
I’ll say again, since you’re not bothering reading any of my replies. It’s entirely up to the individual reader’s point of view, just because there are readers who don’t think she’s the best thing to happen since sliced bread, it doesn’t make their criticism of the character any less valid. Especially when there are fair and valid criticisms to make - You have your opinion, other readers have theirs.
Eqwene has been Amyrlin for 2 weeks and doesn't have all the answers. So let's hate her? Don't hate Egwene because she doesn't instantly agree with Rand.
Well she has a month to find the answers. Not to mention that in that short 2 week span, Siuan has already called her the greatest Amyrlin of all time. Well, since she’s the greatest of all time, finding an alternative plan shouldn’t be too difficult. She certainly hasn’t done anything with her time in this book in finding an alternative plan, Just sayin.
Mat doesn't have the answers and everyone seems to like him.
Mat doesn’t need to have the answers - that’s not his responsibility, he doesn’t really care to have them. People like Mat because he’s a funny character.
Nyneave doesn't have the answers and everyone seems to like her.
Oh good grief.
Again Nyneave doesn’t presume to have all the answers. She’s not the fucking Amyrlin Seat. She’s not interested in guiding the world. She just wants to help people, whether it’s Rand, Egwene or whoever. And let’s be honest, she has done far more, contributed so much, then any other female character in this series. That’s why people like her. I know this may be difficult for some Egwene Apologist to accept, but there are female characters that have actually done more the Egwene. Blasphemy! I know, but it’s true.
Much like the presidency of the United State the Amyrlin Seat is a postition of power and deserves respect. Nyneave was disrepecting the position of Amyrlin. When Egwene discussed the problem with Nyneave, Nyneave became very uncomfortable. Why? Nyneave knew she was wrong and was feeling guilty. She was disrepecting Egwene.
I’d hardly call saying someone’s name disrespecting. Slapping an Amrylin, sure, I think Cadsuane has done that a few times during her career, and those Amrylins got over it. But I don’t find Nyneave disrespecting Egwene intentionally or purposefully. Nynaeve has largely been trained or self trained outside of the Tower, and given her attitude going in I didn’t find her behavior all that surprising. Besides, you still haven’t answered my question, Is the title of the Dragon Reborn any less deserving of respect? It’s okay to disrespect Rand but it’s not okay to disrespect Egwene? A tiny double standard there.
Makes perfect sense for the Haters - Nyneave disrepects Egwene so lets hate Egwene.
Good god, is this for real?
There are enough reasons out there to dislike Egwene
LOL, are you fucking with me? One cannot make a post, criticizing the character no matter how valid, without you Apologists making hay over it. So make a list right now, what are the actual dislikes and criticism of Egwene that you consider fair?