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Re: I highly doubt his Talent was specifically tailored to defeat a certain ter'angreal. DomA Send a noteboard - 16/11/2010 09:07:47 PM
Basically, there is no "absolute defense".


I agree.


If the Dreamspike distort the reflection of a location in the real world as I think - and a channeller relies on the TAR reflection subconciously to know which exact weave to make from a given location as I suggested, the solution could be as "simple", and near impossible to reach, as puzzling out the "key", an element to add or substitute in your weave that compensates/nullifies the distortion.

Androl's Talent for gateways might be enough for him to puzzle out there is a distortion (perhaps by taking notice he is weaving his gateways slightly differently than he used to, as if his perception of his location was weirdly distorted), and intuitively compensate it (in effect, puzzling out the key).

There may also be a more significant weakness and this might be where RJ was heading by having wolves, Perrin and Egwene and the WO getting experience with a first dreamspike, before the one protecting the BT becomes a huge issue in TG (at it probably will... it's almost a safe bet that this device will protect a fairly important headquarter of the Shadow during the war, maybe even Demandred's). If the dreamspike manages to distort TAR slightly, I guess an exceptionally Talented Dreamer, or enough of them in a group, might be able to "hold off" the distortion effect. Perhaps it requires a very exceptional Talent, or perhaps it would require so many Dreamers that it wasn't even considered a weakness... This might require tons of wolves, with the human dreamers, making Perrin essential to the process. As we know, there are things the wolves know about TAR that human dreamers (except Perrin) don't, and there are things the WO/Egwene know which the wolves don't know.

This could provide a way for a surprise attack on the BT toward the end. The Dreamers would hold off the effect of the Dreamspike, allowing for massive, or a great amount of gateways to be opened inside the BT, flooding it with a mixed gender army.

Maybe LTT knows very well of this weakness of dreamspikes as would Demandred I guess. Perhaps it's taken care with an alarm system that warns the dreamspike effect is being interfered with (doubtful somewhat), or even more simply, perhaps it's customary to have sentinels in TAR when you set up a dreamspike, the same way Taim has sentinels watching every exits at the BT, and eventually I guess the Shadow will have a huge advanced perimeter warded, so incoming armies are spotted from far away. Not only the dreamspike protects, but it also allows a protected retreat.. and you can even take the dreamspike with you at the end of it...

That might be another reason for having tons and tons of wolves ready in TAR, to take care of the sentinels and help fight the people the Shadow would send to kill the Dreamers, and to secure the dreamspike.

I'm more and more expecting Demandred/Moridin to have secured a lot of "modern devices" like this. Something about Osan'gar also makes me "worry": the Forsaken don't have all the Talents, of course. There appears to be no "'Maker" among them, notably. But... not only Osan'gar had spotted the potential of Damer Flinn, but we've seen that with a few nudges and hints, he awoke an impressive Talent.... Egwene also puzzled a few things (eg: cuendillar) out of hints given by Moghedien, hints Moghedien probably never expected would be enough.

It makes me wonder a lot how many Talents and useful skills Demandred was able to awaken in his followers... If they have even one guy with a Talent comparable to Elayne, honed by Demandred's knowledge about ter'angreal, they could have all sorts of useful gizmos. Some ter'angreal seem extremely complex, and made of parts or materials you require mundane engineering to create. Others can be made, or copied, with fairly simple stuff.
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