Re: Egwene Apologists: "Leave Egwene Alone! Waaaaah!"
Variant Send a noteboard - 16/11/2010 12:51:52 AM
Looking at it from Eqwene viewpoint. Nowhere in Rand and Eqwene's conversation does Rand mention what Rand is going to do to replace the seals. Egwene sees a friend who has been acting really insane come to her seat of power and say he will be essentially letting the DO loose by breaking the seals. Egwene doesn't have our whole series knowledge. Egwene doesn't have the advantage of knowing there will be the usual fantasy literature hero/heroine or really old mentor to hero/heroine comes up with super-smart mega-cool out of the box solution in the second to last chapter. The last chapter left for the happily ever after ending.
Egwene has the entire resource and knowledge of the White Tower at her disposal. Besides, why would Rand need to explain replacing the seals when we don't even know that is he's intention. That might be what he wants to do or he might go with a different plan, we won't know until the meeting takes place. Personally, I really don’t entirely understand Egwene fear, I understand she had a dream but the interpretations of that dream could mean a lot of things.
How is Egwene suppose to know the new ZenRand? The reports she gets is Rand is insane/going insane, and Rand shows up and says something insane like I am going to break the seals.
She could take a look at the blooming trail of apple trees he's leaving behind. And I really don't understand why the idea of breaking the seals is "insane"? Nyneave and Elayne don’t seem to have a problem with it, it's common knowledge among most Aes Sedai that the seals are crumbling. Is Egwene’s objection based on the idea itself or the person who proposed it? ~shrugs~
What should Egwene response be? Oh boy Rand that sure is a good idea. Let's break the seals and when someone asks why we will say we might have an answer in 30 days. The point is Egwene doesn't think it is a good idea to break the seals without a plan to replace them. Egwene's response is to get the worlds leaders together to persuade Rand not to break the seals without a plan to reseal the bore. Egwene response is perfectly rational and reasonable. Egwene Haters equate this Egwenes actions to backstabbing Rand, a power trip, or the plan has no rational basis.
As I said, it’s fairly easy to predict what Egwene’s response was going to be to. Whether readers think her actions are rational, backstabbing, or power tripping - it’s entirely up to the individual reader’s point of view.
Since Rand wants to break the seals shouldn't he be the one with the plan. Oh wait he is not sure what the alternative is yet. Egwene has been Amyrlin of a unified Tower for what 2 weeks (I get my time frames all mixed up) and she doesn't have a solution yet. Lets hate her. Oh, and where is that yardarm to hang her by the ankles?
As I keep saying, what Rand’s plan is we don’t know yet. Maybe he wants to reseal the bore with new seals, maybe he wants to destroy the Dark One once and for all and remove the taint from the Wheel. I definitely think he’s open to options; after all, he has all of Lews memories and knows the mistakes he made last time. I think at the meeting he’d probably wants to get a consensus and get everyone united over a plan – Who the fuck knows. The point is however, if Egwene is concerned about breaking the seals and doesn’t want that to happen - then what does she want to do? I don’t know why Egwene Apologists seem to have issues with this. If she wants to stop Rand from breaking the seals - That’s fine - what does she propose they do then? It’s a valid and fair question.
This story takes place in what would equivalent of the 15th-16th century. In that time frame calling Egwene mother in public would be important. Not calling Egwene mother in public would be seen as disrespectful, challenging Egwene, and lower her stature vis-a-vis the Hall. In The Great Hunt Moraine was carelful to show Siuan all of the respect a Amyrlin deserved in public but in private they acted like friends. Try going to the White House and calling the President, Barak. In every public appearance he is referred to as Mr President or President Obama.
Of course, because comparing a fictional position of power in a fantasy world to the presidency to the United States of America of the 21st century is valid. Oh please, as I’ve said, her political opponents are fucking morons, her stature and position is secure. Rand is called “Sheepherder” and “Boy” on a constant basis in front of everybody, he’s doing fine.
Egwene Haters Don't Read
- 14/11/2010 11:24:15 PM
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Re: Egwene Haters Don't Read
- 15/11/2010 12:09:37 AM
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She Dreamed about him breaking the seals just before he arrived and it filled her with dread NM *NM*
- 15/11/2010 12:24:03 AM
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But lets go on Egwenes track record of her learning and bettering herself.
- 15/11/2010 03:32:10 PM
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Egwene Apologists: "Leave Egwene Alone! Waaaaah!"
- 15/11/2010 11:22:46 AM
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I just want to point out that the "Mother" thing was inconsistent
- 15/11/2010 11:42:36 AM
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Re: Egwene Apologists: "Leave Egwene Alone! Waaaaah!"
- 15/11/2010 11:46:46 PM
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Re: Egwene Apologists: "Leave Egwene Alone! Waaaaah!"
- 16/11/2010 12:51:52 AM
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Rand is the dragon reborn, no one can replace him anyway, the pattern won't allow it *NM*
- 16/11/2010 02:45:34 PM
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Egwene can't be replaced either, the stupidity of her opponents won't allow it *NM*
- 17/11/2010 11:00:57 AM
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Re: Egwene Apologists: "Leave Egwene Alone! Waaaaah!"
- 17/11/2010 01:44:39 AM
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it's not very fair of you to make counter-arguments and tell them not to be involved. *NM*
- 14/12/2010 12:25:40 AM
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