Seriously though, no one really hates her, maybe some. But most really just find her annoying and a little odious. There's good reason for that.
First Issue, Egwene gets the worlds leaders together to talk Rand out of breaking the seals. Let's look at the facts.
1. The bore has been sealed for 3000 years by the seals. It is accepted that breaking the seals will allow the DO to escape its prison and utterly destroy the world.
It’s also accepted that the seals are crumbling anyway, and that the DO release is inevitable. In fact for them to reseal the bore it requires destroying the old seals. When Egwene flat out tells Elayne and Nyneave about Rand’s supposed intentions, their reaction is pretty much….”meh.” The seals are already crumbling, the last battle is coming, the Dark One and the Dragon Reborn are going to have to duke it out sometime, no?
Rand has always been unstable, if it was PsychoRand that showed up at the White Tower, he would have balefired Egwene and the entire Hall on general principle, then proceed to sit down on top of the rubble and fondle the Choedan Kal. However, it was ZenRand that showed up and he was overall, nice and polite, respecting Egwene’s authority but also being firm. Quite frankly, that’s as stable as he’s ever going to be.
Actually, Rand says that they’ll discuss it at the meeting. There is growing acceptance that Rand was intentionally vague knowing what Egwene’s reaction would be and is using her. Likely he wants Egwene to unite the various Kings, Queens, and the Aes Sedai so they can all meet at the Council of Elrond.
Either ZenRand will show up at the meeting and explain why destroying the seals is necessary, or he’ll just say “Psych! I was just fucking with ya. But since ya’ll here let’s talk about that dragon’s peace…” Or maybe they’ll be a combination of the two.
Ummm, why wouldn’t she let him go unmolested? Rand was nice and polite, if Egwene were to do something to him without any reason or cause that would make her a fucking bitch.
Chapter 3 Amyrlin's Anger pg 86. Egwene POV
" We need allies," Eqwene said. She took a deep breath. ""He might be persuaded by people he trusts"
Chapte5 27 A Call To Stand pg 427 Egwene writing to Darlin about the need for Darlin to bring his full army
"The Dragon Reborn must see our full forces marshaled to oppose his brash intentions. If he sees this as halfhearted, we will never dissuade him from is course".
For those of you who went to the University of Iowa dissuade means: to deter by advice or persuasion.
So the big awful thing Eqwene is going to is try to persuade Rand not to break the seals. Yep lets find a yardarm, string he up by her ankles and flog her.
Egwene Apologists seem to constantly miss the point. No one has a problem she’s trying to dissuade Rand from breaking the seals – but she does have an alternative plan, right? She’s not just making a knee jerk reaction out of pure fear - She does have an alternative plan of action and contingencies for when the Dark One break free, right? …… Oh wait.
Enough of this Bullshit, Egwene’s rule is as secure as it’s ever going to be. Her political opponents consists of women who cannot outmaneuver themselves out of a paper bag, and who are constantly outsmarted by a teenage girl that has spent most of her life growing up in a damn farm. Look at Rand, the guy herded sheep for most of his life. And throughout this series, he’s hardly been in a stable political situation himself. Yet I do not ever recall a moment (even when he was PsychoRand) where he forces his friends, or even his mere friendly acquaintances, to address him by title, whether in public or private.
Actually this isn’t an issue. Gawyn is the tooliest tool in a whole toolbox full of tools. They deserve each other.
First Issue, Egwene gets the worlds leaders together to talk Rand out of breaking the seals. Let's look at the facts.
1. The bore has been sealed for 3000 years by the seals. It is accepted that breaking the seals will allow the DO to escape its prison and utterly destroy the world.
It’s also accepted that the seals are crumbling anyway, and that the DO release is inevitable. In fact for them to reseal the bore it requires destroying the old seals. When Egwene flat out tells Elayne and Nyneave about Rand’s supposed intentions, their reaction is pretty much….”meh.” The seals are already crumbling, the last battle is coming, the Dark One and the Dragon Reborn are going to have to duke it out sometime, no?
2. Rand has been getting increasingly unstable. In the TGS Rand was very unstable. Egwene and the rest of the Tower believe Rand is still nuts. Egwene and the Tower do not know about the Super Sayan Easter Bunny Rand.
Rand has always been unstable, if it was PsychoRand that showed up at the White Tower, he would have balefired Egwene and the entire Hall on general principle, then proceed to sit down on top of the rubble and fondle the Choedan Kal. However, it was ZenRand that showed up and he was overall, nice and polite, respecting Egwene’s authority but also being firm. Quite frankly, that’s as stable as he’s ever going to be.
3. Rand just shows up at the Tower and announces he is going to break the seals. He doesn't say he is going to break the seals and replace them with new and improved seals. Nope he says I am going to break the seals and I hope I can figure out how to make better seals.
Actually, Rand says that they’ll discuss it at the meeting. There is growing acceptance that Rand was intentionally vague knowing what Egwene’s reaction would be and is using her. Likely he wants Egwene to unite the various Kings, Queens, and the Aes Sedai so they can all meet at the Council of Elrond.
Either ZenRand will show up at the meeting and explain why destroying the seals is necessary, or he’ll just say “Psych! I was just fucking with ya. But since ya’ll here let’s talk about that dragon’s peace…” Or maybe they’ll be a combination of the two.
What does all powerful evil hatelful Egwene do? Rand was already shielded by 2 full circles of sisters, Egwene has at least 400 sisters in the Tower to assist her, Rand in is the middle of Eqwene seat of power, and what does Egwene do? She lets Rand leave unmolested. Her dastardly plan is to gather the worlds leaders and their armies to persuade Rand.
Ummm, why wouldn’t she let him go unmolested? Rand was nice and polite, if Egwene were to do something to him without any reason or cause that would make her a fucking bitch.
Chapter 3 Amyrlin's Anger pg 86. Egwene POV
" We need allies," Eqwene said. She took a deep breath. ""He might be persuaded by people he trusts"
Chapte5 27 A Call To Stand pg 427 Egwene writing to Darlin about the need for Darlin to bring his full army
"The Dragon Reborn must see our full forces marshaled to oppose his brash intentions. If he sees this as halfhearted, we will never dissuade him from is course".
For those of you who went to the University of Iowa dissuade means: to deter by advice or persuasion.
So the big awful thing Eqwene is going to is try to persuade Rand not to break the seals. Yep lets find a yardarm, string he up by her ankles and flog her.
Egwene Apologists seem to constantly miss the point. No one has a problem she’s trying to dissuade Rand from breaking the seals – but she does have an alternative plan, right? She’s not just making a knee jerk reaction out of pure fear - She does have an alternative plan of action and contingencies for when the Dark One break free, right? …… Oh wait.
Second Issue - The treatment of Nyneave.
Egwene is new to her power of Amyrlin and sits on a shaky thrown. Egwene needs to have people she trusts to help her, and she needs to be seen as the Amyrlin. Having Nyneave ignore her and Nyneave not treat Eqwene as Amyrlin is not helpful. It is not helpful to Eqwene, not helpful to the Tower, and not helpful to Randland since the Tower must be unified for the battles to come. Egwene handles the problem very well. Egwene's plan is to get Nyneave to take the test to be Aes Sedai, swear the three oaths, and Nyneave at least publicly to treat Egwene like the Amyrlin.
Egwene is new to her power of Amyrlin and sits on a shaky thrown. Egwene needs to have people she trusts to help her, and she needs to be seen as the Amyrlin. Having Nyneave ignore her and Nyneave not treat Eqwene as Amyrlin is not helpful. It is not helpful to Eqwene, not helpful to the Tower, and not helpful to Randland since the Tower must be unified for the battles to come. Egwene handles the problem very well. Egwene's plan is to get Nyneave to take the test to be Aes Sedai, swear the three oaths, and Nyneave at least publicly to treat Egwene like the Amyrlin.
Enough of this Bullshit, Egwene’s rule is as secure as it’s ever going to be. Her political opponents consists of women who cannot outmaneuver themselves out of a paper bag, and who are constantly outsmarted by a teenage girl that has spent most of her life growing up in a damn farm. Look at Rand, the guy herded sheep for most of his life. And throughout this series, he’s hardly been in a stable political situation himself. Yet I do not ever recall a moment (even when he was PsychoRand) where he forces his friends, or even his mere friendly acquaintances, to address him by title, whether in public or private.
Third Issue - Egwene doesn't treat Gawyn nicely.
Give me a break. Egwene and Gawyn are what? 18/19 years old and both in their first love relationship. Really we have two teenagers trying to balance their work and love lives and they screw it up. What a surprise? That is a reason to hate someone.
Give me a break. Egwene and Gawyn are what? 18/19 years old and both in their first love relationship. Really we have two teenagers trying to balance their work and love lives and they screw it up. What a surprise? That is a reason to hate someone.
Actually this isn’t an issue. Gawyn is the tooliest tool in a whole toolbox full of tools. They deserve each other.
Egwene Haters Don't Read
- 14/11/2010 11:24:15 PM
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Re: Egwene Haters Don't Read
- 15/11/2010 12:09:37 AM
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She Dreamed about him breaking the seals just before he arrived and it filled her with dread NM *NM*
- 15/11/2010 12:24:03 AM
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But lets go on Egwenes track record of her learning and bettering herself.
- 15/11/2010 03:32:10 PM
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Egwene Apologists: "Leave Egwene Alone! Waaaaah!"
- 15/11/2010 11:22:46 AM
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I just want to point out that the "Mother" thing was inconsistent
- 15/11/2010 11:42:36 AM
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Re: Egwene Apologists: "Leave Egwene Alone! Waaaaah!"
- 15/11/2010 11:46:46 PM
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Re: Egwene Apologists: "Leave Egwene Alone! Waaaaah!"
- 16/11/2010 12:51:52 AM
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Rand is the dragon reborn, no one can replace him anyway, the pattern won't allow it *NM*
- 16/11/2010 02:45:34 PM
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Egwene can't be replaced either, the stupidity of her opponents won't allow it *NM*
- 17/11/2010 11:00:57 AM
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Re: Egwene Apologists: "Leave Egwene Alone! Waaaaah!"
- 17/11/2010 01:44:39 AM
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it's not very fair of you to make counter-arguments and tell them not to be involved. *NM*
- 14/12/2010 12:25:40 AM
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