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Oh, Rand wants it, so that makes it good? Cannoli Send a noteboard - 13/11/2010 11:50:00 PM
We have this from ToM
No, Amys, Egwene thought. I will not tie you in bands of steel. I'll use lace instead

I suppose that means Egwene is going to tie all channelers securely to her but do it so that they won't notice it and thus can't fight her. That's how the WT has always wanted to do things.


Egwene didn't say she will use hidden strings, or even bands of velvet or silk to bind the others, which would point to the meanings you saw.

But she used lace for the metaphor of what she hopes. Lace is delicate, complex and above all, full of holes... It's also not meant to be unseen, it's meant to attract attention, and like embroidery, be something to be proud of, to use with your best clothes...

Egwene was telling herself that she intends to tie the various groups to the Tower, but not to enslave them with bands of steel, to force them to become Aes Sedai. She rather intends ties that will please each group, and that will leave a lot of independance and freedom to each group. She doesn't want them to vanish into the Tower, she wants them to be what they are, but adorn themselves with delicate ties to a central organization of all channellers. The Aes Sedai, WO, Kin, Windfinders will still be seen underneath.

Tuon used a similar symbolism when going under the veil. She hid her baldness under a lace cap and sheer veil. It hid nothing of what she really was underneath, or changed her real nature. It was merely a symbol, to tell her court to treat her as a High Lady, because she considered she couldn't asked her court to treat her like the heir, when she had to atone for faults to be deserving of such treatment and honours again. Tuon thought she had let the mortal woman Tuon and her emotions rule her behaviour, that she wasn't fit for the station of DOTNM until she had atoned for that.

Egwene doesn't know it, but she's aiming to transform the Tower back to something close to what the Hall of Servants of the Aes Sedai Guild used to be before the breaking: a federative organization of all channellers from around the world. There used to be small Halls of the Servants in every locality. The Guild was more an organization to train channellers to their fullest potential, to organize their services, call and dispatch AS where they were needed and regulate proper, ethical use of the One Power. The Guild as Mesaana alluded to used to be a sea of fluctuating factions held together by the central Hall and a common ethical code. Not all AS by a long shot were working in the Guild like LTT or Bel Medar. A great deal of them, the vast majority most likely, lived and had careers outside the Guild. Being AS for many was like being a volunteer fireman: if your local Hall or the higher hierarchy called for your services, you were bound to provide the services, as a Servant of All. Elayne is already working at the recreation of aspects of this, with her ideas for the Kin. Egwene on her side is beginning to see how the administrative and political aspects could work.

The LB aside, this needs to be achieved - and soon Egwene will have to realize it must include the men as well (I get the feeling Rand is soon to bring this up... that he wants her to welcome his Asha'man back as Aes Sedai... He used to see himself more as an Asha'man, the first of them. Now, he's reclaimed his rightful title of Aes Sedai. He sees his mistake of seing these men as weapons aimed at the Shadow, not as human beings. He owes them something to redeem what he's made of these men. I think he will do it by insuring their future, back into Egwene's alliance of channellers. Some of the channelling factions are already planning to go to war with one another post TG (or in the case of the Seanchan, right now!). - a central organization, to prevent this, is desperately necessary. The Tower conflict was a necessity - the Aes Sedai,especially Egwene, had to see and experience the perils of factions, even inside the Tower, to understand how they must change their views.
Perhaps the role of the Asha'man has to be expanded more, and better focussed on their humanity, but becoming Aes Sedai is a mistake. It's just going back to what used to be. The point is to move forward. Nicola's Foretelling that "the Guardians balance the Servants" implies a continued estrangement, and that this will be a good thing. The Bore was WoT's equivalent of the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil and Tower of Babel all rolled into one, and the hubris of mankind trying to erase that last difference between the genders and tap a power source that both could draw upon, destroyed their world. What saved them in the end was the combination of the Fateful Compact and the Hundred Companions' Strike at Shayol Ghul. Men and Women acting together destroyed the world. Men and Women acting independantly saved humanity. The women saved the world from having both halves of the Power tainted and twice as many channelers Breaking the world, the men saved it from the Dark One. LPD's plan would have been merely another temporary obstacle for the Dark One to smash through, and as with the opposition to breaking the Seals, the women are lobbying for the "safety" of a slow death, rather than risk swift destruction to gain real salvation.

It is probably better keeping with the themes and ideals of WoT for the Guardians to stay seperate from the Servants, with lines of communication set up by relationships between individual channelers, such as in the case with bondings, going both ways.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
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The ignorance surrounding Egwene - 13/11/2010 08:23:19 AM 1821 Views
what people SAY and what they DO are not always the same. *NM* - 13/11/2010 08:46:37 AM 416 Views
Re: what people SAY and what they DO are not always the same. - 13/11/2010 09:08:55 AM 787 Views
well, she both said AND did this! *NM* - 13/11/2010 04:47:18 PM 336 Views
Became a tyrant and a fool? Agreed. *NM* - 13/11/2010 09:00:17 PM 480 Views
you seem to have a great grasp on foolishness and tyranny *NM* - 14/11/2010 01:17:50 AM 336 Views
Well, obviously Egwene doesn't want to be (seen as) a tyrant - 13/11/2010 09:14:31 AM 944 Views
No... you've totally missed her metaphor - 13/11/2010 03:25:20 PM 1298 Views
Oh, Rand wants it, so that makes it good? - 13/11/2010 11:50:00 PM 797 Views
Re: The ignorance surrounding Egwene - 13/11/2010 09:42:21 AM 811 Views
Re: The ignorance surrounding Egwene - 13/11/2010 05:41:38 PM 783 Views
where do you get that from? - 13/11/2010 05:53:41 PM 670 Views
Re: where do you get that from? - 13/11/2010 07:02:24 PM 732 Views
I'm sure Osama bin Laden thinks he's doing the right thing, too. - 13/11/2010 06:50:48 PM 833 Views
dramatic much? - 14/11/2010 01:23:53 AM 676 Views
No, just pointing out the obvious. - 14/11/2010 06:11:11 AM 701 Views
Like ordering people to submit to life-shortening Compulsion? - 18/11/2010 02:10:53 AM 609 Views
That's a knee-jerk reaction. - 28/11/2010 01:17:49 PM 551 Views
Aww... - 14/11/2010 12:55:13 AM 670 Views
Oh give over Sidious... - 14/11/2010 06:22:37 AM 851 Views
Re: Oh give over Sidious... - 04/01/2011 01:59:38 AM 627 Views
I liked that section. - 15/11/2010 05:38:16 PM 668 Views

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