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Oh come on..... give it up. Your theory is dead. DomA Send a noteboard - 10/11/2010 12:28:35 PM
Contrary to most, I don't think that Asmodean's death was completely revealed in ToM. We still don't know for sure, who killed him.


Brandon and Harriet have both commented on tour that they didn't think a blatant reveal fitted well with the flow of the narrative, so they just alluded to it in Graendal's scenes and put the final answer in the glossary. Harriet joked that she likes to get people to read her glossaries. Jordan himself had said he wasn't sure it would fit in AMOL, and had promised to reveal the murderer in his Blog after the publication of the PB, if it turned out this way.

As for the clues.... Moridin made it kind of clear, when he asked Graendal if she would pretend Ara'gar too was a traitor.... Moridin's sarcasm is obvious - it seems Shai'tan never took Asmodean's betrayal as a proven fact. That's why he never gave the order to kill him (it's also around that time that Shai'tan introduced Shaidar Haran, with which he could keep a closer eye on things, and the Chosen...).

And don't you think Moridin would have made snide comment when he loaned her Isam, if she had used him before to kill another Chosen? He didn't forget to warn her about not using the dreamspike against the Chosen...

I would think Graendal putting Slayer in his place "Don't talk back to a Chosen, dog!" also makes clear where he stands in her eyes compared to the Chosen. She would never have picked him to murder a Chosen, as we've been telling you for years. The DO had not given any orders to kill Asmodean. None of the Chosen tried to assassinate him, Graendal killed him because she was cornered when Asmodean bumped into her (and then claimed to believe Lanfear's story that he had betrayed to cover it up), much as she got Aran'gar killed to save her own life.

(Wilson, who's been told the story of the murder by RJ, apparently confirmed it's the full deal - to Terez I think).

Otherwise one can only say that RJ lied that the majority of fans got it wrong, which doesn't seem likely.


Provide the quote where he said that, because as far as I know, he never did say anything like this. The only quote remotely like this is the one where he said he's put clues in the books following TFOH until one day he got a fan letter that had spotted all those and came up with the logical deductions, and RJ determined based on this that it was possible to solve the mystery from his clues, and stopped putting more). Tons of people solved the murder based on the clues, that letter was just the first time Jordan became aware of it (this was in the early days of the wot forums).

The one important quote (the one you keep overlooking) was the one where Jordan described the murder as one of opportunity, ie: that Asmodean got killed because he bumped into someone by accident who would kill him. That destroyed your theory that it was an assassination right then and there, but you've always chosen to ignore this quote and the facts of the death scene. Graendal was in the palace, Asmodean bumped into her by accident. She killed him and reported to SG, probably twisting facts so that it looks as if she's taken risks to eliminate a traitor. Shai'tan gave her a warning about killing the Chosen without his permission (he's never given the order to eliminate Asmodean) - the stick, and then the carrot: he made the same kind of promise that Graendal could be made Nae'blis that he made to Demandred and Sammael. Shai'tan saved face by lying to Demandred, making him believe Asmodean died the final death because he had betrayed. As we know, the truth is that Shai'tan could not secure Asmodean's soul, like Sammael's and Be'lal's (Egwene's dream confirms these two and Osan'gar and Aran'gar and Semirhage are dead for good). End of story.

One of the allusions we missed is when Moridin makes a comment that if their argument flared up, Sammael or Graendal would end up dead, and a comment about how dangerous Graendal was. Moridin knew she murdered Asmodean, and seemed to doubt her story that she did it to eliminate a traitor even then...





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