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She's a short, female, youngest child of influential parents. Arrogance would come naturally to her. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 09/11/2010 02:08:29 AM

She didnt go dark, but a little loony. And we never see much about Egwene's childhood the way we see Rand's or Perrin's. Its as if she joined Moiraine's party out of the two rivers as a headstrong girl, and suddenly became this power hungry Aes Sedai. The reasons for her disposition are not hinted to in the books. So, I am not comfortable assuming, its her parents who raised her that way.

Note how in the early books they mention how careful Perrin is, because of his size and strength. Egwene, being small and female, would never have had to learn lessons like that. When young Perrin gets in a confrontation, he backs down or gets told "pick on someone your own size." When a small person gets in that situation, they have the oppositte experience. Younger children tend to receive much less discipline than their older siblings, because the parents are used to the ideas of their babies growing up and learning to function, and because they are tired of fighting the same battles with each kid. By the time the youngest hits her teens, Mom & Dad are basically going "Fuck it. What's the worst that can happen?" In a village where everyone is into everyone else's business anyway, a kid can't get into too much trouble, and with the family business being inn-keeping, her chores and responsibilities were basically ordinary daily tasks only expanded in scale. Farm kids would have had to learn to take care of the farm, and bust their humps and take responsibility (even Mat is only irresponsible by comparison to the super-conscientious Perrin & Rand). Their wills are curtailed by mother nature, whereas Egwene's example would have been Nynaeve who appeared to make nature bend to her.
In short, Egwene would have grown up unrestrained or curtailed in her basic behavior patterns (also, more likely to end up a homosexual, BTW), and at the same time, being among the least in many ways, would have come by her craving for power quite naturally.

I was just hoping her parents would tell her that she isnt acting right, but then she would first have to do something simple and straight-forward, which would prompt her parents to tlak to her in that fashion. And I now understand why you mentioned she didnt "go dark"
So, yeah, I accept the probability of a realistic sequence of actions on her part, because of which her parents giving her some helpful advice is nearly zero.


Not to mention, we see how well she takes criticism, or even people arguing a contrary point of view. The girl who unilateraly decided Rand needed to be taken down a peg for his own good, because he had the audacity to expect his soldiers to obey his orders, who used their aquaintanceship to barge in on him and make a big production out of her refusal to acknowledge his rank or stature, orders beatings for girls who make faces at her on exactly the same terms she used to tell Rand to wash his ears. When she has her flip-flop on the subject of the Three Oaths, she gratuitously threatens punishment for the two people who have done a far better job of living up to them than she did. One day she's challenging Nynaeve for agreeing to do her best to live up to the Oaths, contrarily asserting her intentions to use the Power as weapon when she damn well wants, and ridiculing her for her attempts to avoid lies, and then when Nynaeve merely asks if she's thought about that topic, she's cutting off all conversation with an imperious gesture and threatening punishment for disobediance to a rule they have just found out cuts your life in half.

Mommy & Daddy's homespun wisdom does not have a chance.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
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"She knew Egwene wanted Cairhien..." - 05/11/2010 03:22:29 AM 2388 Views
Do you have a reference that we can look at? - 05/11/2010 03:24:39 AM 905 Views
Chapter 45 - A Reunion, Page 669 - 05/11/2010 03:59:25 AM 1090 Views
Ok, now I've checked it. - 05/11/2010 04:07:20 AM 956 Views
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Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father - 05/11/2010 04:25:43 AM 856 Views
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They're the ones who raised her this way! That's the last thing she needs. - 06/11/2010 03:38:17 PM 938 Views
Um, can we assume her parents raised her that way? - 08/11/2010 04:57:05 AM 793 Views
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Huh - 09/11/2010 07:56:15 AM 908 Views
Wow. What the fuck did your parents do to you? *NM* - 09/11/2010 03:35:07 PM 445 Views
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I try to avoid projecting myself onto fictional characters. Or real people. - 09/11/2010 06:45:14 PM 797 Views
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Why don't you compare her to a summer's day while you're at it? *NM* - 09/11/2010 07:45:20 PM 380 Views
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I'm teasing you because you lay it on a little thick sometimes *NM* - 10/11/2010 01:10:39 AM 506 Views
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So? - 05/11/2010 09:53:22 AM 835 Views
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The engima that is Egwene - 06/11/2010 01:41:43 AM 835 Views
I wonder if... - 06/11/2010 05:17:45 AM 817 Views
You might have paid more attention than me when reading - 06/11/2010 06:50:46 AM 814 Views
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Hear, hear. - 09/11/2010 02:18:49 AM 862 Views
Maybe it's typo - 08/11/2010 06:38:26 PM 1023 Views
Yes, I'm pretty certain it is. - 09/11/2010 09:00:32 AM 779 Views
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i thought it was a typo too *NM* - 10/11/2010 09:11:10 AM 479 Views

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