You might have paid more attention than me when reading
chandra Send a noteboard - 06/11/2010 06:50:46 AM
... we're even reading the same books. Opinions can differ, of course, but you seem to have ignored a ton of events that answer many of your questions.
I admit I have forgotten some events, and I havent read ToM completely yet.
What are these new heights she wants to take the WT to? As a shelter, school and safety net for female channelers, or quasi-empire? Chasing quasi-empire dreams before TG is futile, Egwene should know that.
Where is this quasi-empire shit coming from? The WT used to have a quasi empire in the past, when it was in the habit of kidnapping kings when they failed to do its bidding. Egwene has stated straight out that that is a stupid idea.
Um, because they had it in the past, does not mean they should have it now. Was what they had in the past better? And what is the new idea that Egwene has come up with?
But, the Tower also doesn't intend to just be a channeling school. And I don't see why they should aim for just that. They have three thousand years of experience in maintaining a stable continent, and while the White Tower of today is a pale shadow of what it can be, that Tower, which is using its full potential, is what Egwene, and Elayne, seem to be aiming for.
Ok, I accept they had some experience of having kings in their control for some part of the three thousand years. But, you urself say it was established by kidnapping kings, so I am skeptical if this experience will help them establish a stable continent now. Why cant the tower accept Rand's quasi-empire?
And can you explain, what a tower of full potential is? Does it mean, a continent held in the grip of Aes Sedai?
If this is for the betterment of female channelers, then kudos to Egwene.
Do you have anything to indicate the contrary?
Yes. I want the Aes Sedai to become true servants, rather than servants in name. That IMO, leads to the general good of the channelers and the public. Are her actions contributing to this?
Btw, tell me, I am sorry I forgot, but hasnt Rand stabilised Cairhein already?
How stable is a country where the Queen to be throned has a poisoned needle placed on her cushion?
I might be making a fool of myself here, but I thought Cairhein didnt have a queen.
Yes, it makes sense for nations to be stable. But, why should they come under the dominion of the WT to become stable? It makes more sense for them to be under leadership of Rand.
No it does not. Rand is one man, the White Tower is an entire organization. Rand may die, he may survive, he may wish to retire from the world. No one knows. Having him responsible for everything makes no sense. But should Egwene or Elayne die, there is still some hope that someone capable will take the Amyrlin Seat and continue working for stability. It is a small hope, for now. Likely some nutjob like Lelaine will become Amyrlin. Preventing that kind of thing, and making the organization as a whole better, is what Egwene seems to be aiming for.
Rand hasnt died, is still surviving, and hasnt retired. He needs everyone to help him, not waste time on playing one-upmanship games, with nations that the WT dominates. He is putting up good people to govern. What if Rand says once he goes away, the people he picked can continue to rule. That solves your claim of uncertainty after Rand's death. Or he can also say that the WT will guide (not rule) the nations after TG. If egwene was level-headed and put this suggestion to Rand, he would agree, wouldn't he?
They can act in concert even then. Rand offered Cairhein to Elayne, but I am not sure he had in mind what u r suggesting, that Cairhein go under the WT's dominance. And, WT is not the only organisation thinking about post TG, Rand is too. It is for the best if the WT in its current structure lose some influence rather than gain more, or change its methodology, post TG.
Certainly, it needs to change its methodology. The surprise is, no one seems to have noted the ways Egwene is already changing them. And she has said straight out she means to change them. Which is why Elayne too supports her, and does Nynaeve.
The WT might be changing, but its opposition to Rand exists. Its priorities are not right. So, what's the point, even with these changes that you say people are not noting?
Coming to the Hall, what sort of stupid things will the Hall try? Is Egwene so paranoid, and anticipating her own downfall, even with no DFs in the Hall? That seems so illogical.
Wait... you just stated that Aes Sedai were silly children who indulge in "my dick is bigger than yours". Now you think Egwene is illogical for anticipating the same thing?
And what's her answer to that? Try to change the mindset of the WT, or just go on in Aes Sedai business as usual fashion.
And in case you didn't read it... in ToM, the Hall meets in secret to reduce Egwene's power. If that doesn't seem like a logical reason to wish to stay on top of the noxious political situation in the Tower, then I wonder what is...
Why shouldnt her power be reduced? After all she is Aes Sedai too, she has to submit to the will of all Aes Sedai's.
I still keep wondering as to why Egwene became Amrylin
Huh? She didn't become Amyrlin. She was forced to be Amyrlin. She just refused to be a puppet, and instead decided to be good at the job she was handed.
Um, first, she could have refused to become Amrylin. But, she didn't do that, and I dont understand why. Because after all shouldn't an Accepted think something's wrong in her becoming Amrylin? Let's say she decided to take up the mantle of Amrylin to do her duty of helping heal the WT.
and why she continues to be one
I would have thought that was self evident. Why does someone who's promoted continue in their post?
Why does she continue to be Amrylin? What does she think she will achieve by doing what she does? It is not self-evident to me at all. I can but think of two reasons.
Continue to heal and unify the WT? If so, why so much opposition to Rand?
Or does she think she can help at TG? Then, why not assist Rand? This Rand too is an idiot, he should have explained to her, why he wanted to break the seals. Instead of just saying, I will break the seals, be prepared.
I do agree with you, in a sense, that the WT needs to be unified, and that the other Aes Sedai might take even stupider decisions than Egwene with respect to Rand and TG. But, Egwene still needs to change her mindset. Its not one of co-operation with others, but domination.
and what she thinks about her future.
A reading of Egwene's chapters from KoD to ToM in one go may prove instructive...
I dont have that sort of time now. And I will be frank here, I dont want to go thru all that again.
Maybe I missed reading chapters specific to her, or did RJ never talk about this, unlike Rand's future.
RJ has said nothing about Rand's future. Or Egwene's.
I am sorry, I meant what they think about the world's future, which sort of includes their future.
Isn't everyone in WoT re-born?
"She knew Egwene wanted Cairhien..."
05/11/2010 03:22:29 AM
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Do you have a reference that we can look at?
05/11/2010 03:24:39 AM
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Re: "She knew Egwene wanted Cairhien..."
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Re: "She knew Egwene wanted Cairhien..."
05/11/2010 01:42:54 PM
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Not if it allows the Seanchan freedom to conquer Randland. I'd rather have Egwene over the slavers.
07/11/2010 07:32:20 PM
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We all know Egwene is going to save the day while getting everything she wants and more
05/11/2010 04:14:55 AM
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Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father
05/11/2010 04:25:43 AM
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Re: Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father
05/11/2010 01:53:17 PM
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Re: Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father
05/11/2010 02:00:37 PM
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why?
05/11/2010 03:10:39 PM
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Re: why?
05/11/2010 04:23:16 PM
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They're the ones who raised her this way! That's the last thing she needs.
06/11/2010 03:38:17 PM
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Um, can we assume her parents raised her that way?
08/11/2010 04:57:05 AM
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She's a short, female, youngest child of influential parents. Arrogance would come naturally to her.
09/11/2010 02:08:29 AM
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Huh
09/11/2010 07:56:15 AM
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Wow. What the fuck did your parents do to you? *NM*
09/11/2010 03:35:07 PM
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09/11/2010 06:14:30 PM
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I try to avoid projecting myself onto fictional characters. Or real people.
09/11/2010 06:45:14 PM
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Why don't you compare her to a summer's day while you're at it? *NM*
09/11/2010 07:45:20 PM
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well...
09/11/2010 08:18:08 PM
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I'm teasing you because you lay it on a little thick sometimes *NM*
10/11/2010 01:10:39 AM
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So?
05/11/2010 09:53:22 AM
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i agree. and this is part of the reason why i don't understand why people have a hard time w/ egwene
05/11/2010 03:56:48 PM
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Because many of us don't see trying to achieve power for its own sake to be a good thing
05/11/2010 06:53:27 PM
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She didn't say that. You changed the wording and read it without context.
05/11/2010 03:29:27 PM
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So?
05/11/2010 04:04:54 PM
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The engima that is Egwene
06/11/2010 01:41:43 AM
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I wonder if...
06/11/2010 05:17:45 AM
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You might have paid more attention than me when reading
06/11/2010 06:50:46 AM
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The reason rand didn't tell Egwene about why he needs to break the seals is simple
22/06/2011 10:49:25 PM
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That's the problem with Elayne that has emerged.
06/11/2010 03:31:41 PM
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Or, you know, she's being cleverer than you give her credit for...
06/11/2010 04:45:10 PM
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This is the problem with rulers - what is smart for them equals increasing their power. Which is bad
06/11/2010 08:40:19 PM
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The Andoran houses should ask one question of Elayne - and remove her if she answers wrongly
08/11/2010 02:03:08 AM
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Maybe it's typo
08/11/2010 06:38:26 PM
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I was proven to be right - it's typo since it was corrected in the Ebook version
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