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That didn't sound like madman's ramblings at all.... lilltempest Send a noteboard - 05/11/2010 05:00:59 PM
No, I believe there is still some wisdom that she can learn from her mother and father. She needs to be remember what she was. Knowledge of the goings on in the world does not mean, she has become better in dealing with them. Marin and her husband had a certain earthly wisdom, which Egwene seems to lack or has lost. Yes, they lived in a village, but they were cognizant of the fact that the world is a wider and complex place. The Aiel Wise Ones, for all their training seem to have made her a tougher person, rather than a better person. She needs to apply those lessons in humility and patience that she learnt from them in her day-to-day life. Btw, living and being brought up in a small town also gives a perspective, losing that perspective completely means letting go of something quintessentially Two Rivers' like. Which is what happened to Rand, but luckily he did a course correction and seems more like his previous self, but without the excessive boyish indecisiveness and foolhardiness. He still retains those qualities to a certain level though.

Egwene needs to become a simpler person, let go of this desire to acquire power and hang on to it. Why did she decide to become Amrylin anyway? Why does she want to be an Amrylin? What is her end goal? To help defeat the DO, or to be the Amrylin until she can?


If you look at her behavior and thoughts in this book, it's obvious what she wants - to control everything and everyone. She has become a manipulative version of Darth Rand, who only cares about obedience, shows little or no respect to anyone around her, and who is convinced that she has the right to impose her will on everyone because she believes she knows everything. The contrast between her "leadership" style and Rand's in this book is glaring; Rand has become a true leader, showing the utmost respect to those following him, listening to them when they have advice to offer, but remaining firm about things he knows are correct. On the other hand, we have Egwene, who forces her friends to use her title even in private, constantly goes on about how she knows best, plots against those who pose a threat, and wants absolute obedience from everyone.

Egwene has, in effect, become the very thing Nynaeve warned her about after the testing. She has set herself so far above and apart from everyone that she sees everyone as pawns in her own personal game of power. What Nynaeve told her was right, but she didn't hear it and refuses to acknowledge it because behaving that way serves her purpose of making the WT the ruling organization of the world (and her the tyrant, ruling all), that no one dare disobey.

I am afraid, in becoming so tough, she is becoming more and more similar to the Hall and the rot that has become a part of the Aes Sedai organisation. If she really thinks her own Hall is going to remove her, then maybe she should make a public declaration to all Aes Sedai that they are not supposed to do such things and disband the Ajah structure that is there currently. In addition to that, she should educate the Aes Sedai that what they really ought to be is servants of the people, rather than puppeteers. If the Aes Sedai continue to behave as earlier, she should just ask the Aes Sedai to swear fealty to her, if that is going to help her uphold Dharma, or step down from that seat, and contribute however she can individually towards helping the Light.
I hope this doesnt sound like the ramblings of a mad-man. I am finding it difficult to articulate my thoughts.


There was a reason the Hall could convene without the Amyrlin - if she becomes a tyrant (which she is well on her way to being), they could deliberate about it and try to limit her power. What she did, in effect, was to ensure that no one can move against her - ever - no matter how bad she gets because she can be there to bully them into backing off. There have to be checks on her power, yet she is removing them all. That is a huge problem, as is the fact that she seems to be turning into another Emporer Palpatine. I don't like the Seanchan, and likely never will, but Tuon, at least, has someone at her side who will slap her ass down if she gets out of control. Egwene has nothing of the sort. There is no one to stop her, and she has never been one to question whether she has the right to do what she wants; she just does as she pleases and justifies it in her mind, no matter how deluded she ends up sounding (like her claim that Rand "wants" her to stop him when we see, from his POV, that he wants nothing of the sort and will break the seals no matter what she says).
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"She knew Egwene wanted Cairhien..." - 05/11/2010 03:22:29 AM 2387 Views
Do you have a reference that we can look at? - 05/11/2010 03:24:39 AM 905 Views
Chapter 45 - A Reunion, Page 669 - 05/11/2010 03:59:25 AM 1090 Views
Ok, now I've checked it. - 05/11/2010 04:07:20 AM 956 Views
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except... - 05/11/2010 03:49:45 AM 958 Views
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We all know Egwene is going to save the day while getting everything she wants and more - 05/11/2010 04:14:55 AM 1040 Views
Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father - 05/11/2010 04:25:43 AM 856 Views
Re: Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father - 05/11/2010 01:53:17 PM 871 Views
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she's the youngest child - 07/11/2010 07:51:20 PM 775 Views
why? - 05/11/2010 03:10:39 PM 967 Views
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That didn't sound like madman's ramblings at all.... - 05/11/2010 05:00:59 PM 996 Views
Re: That didn't sound like madman's ramblings at all.... - 05/11/2010 11:10:46 PM 871 Views
Hail Amrlyin Palpategwene - 06/11/2010 02:05:09 AM 938 Views
They're the ones who raised her this way! That's the last thing she needs. - 06/11/2010 03:38:17 PM 938 Views
Um, can we assume her parents raised her that way? - 08/11/2010 04:57:05 AM 792 Views
She's a short, female, youngest child of influential parents. Arrogance would come naturally to her. - 09/11/2010 02:08:29 AM 883 Views
Huh - 09/11/2010 07:56:15 AM 908 Views
Wow. What the fuck did your parents do to you? *NM* - 09/11/2010 03:35:07 PM 445 Views
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I try to avoid projecting myself onto fictional characters. Or real people. - 09/11/2010 06:45:14 PM 797 Views
too bad - 09/11/2010 08:20:04 PM 782 Views
Why don't you compare her to a summer's day while you're at it? *NM* - 09/11/2010 07:45:20 PM 379 Views
well... - 09/11/2010 08:18:08 PM 714 Views
I'm teasing you because you lay it on a little thick sometimes *NM* - 10/11/2010 01:10:39 AM 506 Views
You are seriously mis-perceiving a number of things. - 10/11/2010 01:30:47 AM 966 Views
So? - 05/11/2010 09:53:22 AM 835 Views
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Re: So? - 06/11/2010 09:06:49 AM 756 Views
She didn't say that. You changed the wording and read it without context. - 05/11/2010 03:29:27 PM 978 Views
So? - 05/11/2010 04:04:54 PM 813 Views
The engima that is Egwene - 06/11/2010 01:41:43 AM 835 Views
I wonder if... - 06/11/2010 05:17:45 AM 817 Views
You might have paid more attention than me when reading - 06/11/2010 06:50:46 AM 814 Views
The reason rand didn't tell Egwene about why he needs to break the seals is simple - 22/06/2011 10:49:25 PM 867 Views
That's the problem with Elayne that has emerged. - 06/11/2010 03:31:41 PM 1002 Views
Or, you know, she's being cleverer than you give her credit for... - 06/11/2010 04:45:10 PM 867 Views
This is the problem with rulers - what is smart for them equals increasing their power. Which is bad - 06/11/2010 08:40:19 PM 819 Views
So fragmentation is the reply? - 06/11/2010 09:59:47 PM 809 Views
Checks and balances IS diluting power. - 09/11/2010 02:16:18 AM 829 Views
The Andoran houses should ask one question of Elayne - and remove her if she answers wrongly - 08/11/2010 02:03:08 AM 884 Views
Hear, hear. - 09/11/2010 02:18:49 AM 862 Views
Maybe it's typo - 08/11/2010 06:38:26 PM 1023 Views
Yes, I'm pretty certain it is. - 09/11/2010 09:00:32 AM 779 Views
Agreed - 09/11/2010 07:05:09 PM 718 Views
i thought it was a typo too *NM* - 10/11/2010 09:11:10 AM 478 Views

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