That didn't sound like madman's ramblings at all....
lilltempest Send a noteboard - 05/11/2010 05:00:59 PM
No, I believe there is still some wisdom that she can learn from her mother and father. She needs to be remember what she was. Knowledge of the goings on in the world does not mean, she has become better in dealing with them. Marin and her husband had a certain earthly wisdom, which Egwene seems to lack or has lost. Yes, they lived in a village, but they were cognizant of the fact that the world is a wider and complex place. The Aiel Wise Ones, for all their training seem to have made her a tougher person, rather than a better person. She needs to apply those lessons in humility and patience that she learnt from them in her day-to-day life. Btw, living and being brought up in a small town also gives a perspective, losing that perspective completely means letting go of something quintessentially Two Rivers' like. Which is what happened to Rand, but luckily he did a course correction and seems more like his previous self, but without the excessive boyish indecisiveness and foolhardiness. He still retains those qualities to a certain level though.
Egwene needs to become a simpler person, let go of this desire to acquire power and hang on to it. Why did she decide to become Amrylin anyway? Why does she want to be an Amrylin? What is her end goal? To help defeat the DO, or to be the Amrylin until she can?
Egwene needs to become a simpler person, let go of this desire to acquire power and hang on to it. Why did she decide to become Amrylin anyway? Why does she want to be an Amrylin? What is her end goal? To help defeat the DO, or to be the Amrylin until she can?
If you look at her behavior and thoughts in this book, it's obvious what she wants - to control everything and everyone. She has become a manipulative version of Darth Rand, who only cares about obedience, shows little or no respect to anyone around her, and who is convinced that she has the right to impose her will on everyone because she believes she knows everything. The contrast between her "leadership" style and Rand's in this book is glaring; Rand has become a true leader, showing the utmost respect to those following him, listening to them when they have advice to offer, but remaining firm about things he knows are correct. On the other hand, we have Egwene, who forces her friends to use her title even in private, constantly goes on about how she knows best, plots against those who pose a threat, and wants absolute obedience from everyone.
Egwene has, in effect, become the very thing Nynaeve warned her about after the testing. She has set herself so far above and apart from everyone that she sees everyone as pawns in her own personal game of power. What Nynaeve told her was right, but she didn't hear it and refuses to acknowledge it because behaving that way serves her purpose of making the WT the ruling organization of the world (and her the tyrant, ruling all), that no one dare disobey.
I am afraid, in becoming so tough, she is becoming more and more similar to the Hall and the rot that has become a part of the Aes Sedai organisation. If she really thinks her own Hall is going to remove her, then maybe she should make a public declaration to all Aes Sedai that they are not supposed to do such things and disband the Ajah structure that is there currently. In addition to that, she should educate the Aes Sedai that what they really ought to be is servants of the people, rather than puppeteers. If the Aes Sedai continue to behave as earlier, she should just ask the Aes Sedai to swear fealty to her, if that is going to help her uphold Dharma, or step down from that seat, and contribute however she can individually towards helping the Light.
I hope this doesnt sound like the ramblings of a mad-man. I am finding it difficult to articulate my thoughts.
I hope this doesnt sound like the ramblings of a mad-man. I am finding it difficult to articulate my thoughts.
There was a reason the Hall could convene without the Amyrlin - if she becomes a tyrant (which she is well on her way to being), they could deliberate about it and try to limit her power. What she did, in effect, was to ensure that no one can move against her - ever - no matter how bad she gets because she can be there to bully them into backing off. There have to be checks on her power, yet she is removing them all. That is a huge problem, as is the fact that she seems to be turning into another Emporer Palpatine. I don't like the Seanchan, and likely never will, but Tuon, at least, has someone at her side who will slap her ass down if she gets out of control. Egwene has nothing of the sort. There is no one to stop her, and she has never been one to question whether she has the right to do what she wants; she just does as she pleases and justifies it in her mind, no matter how deluded she ends up sounding (like her claim that Rand "wants" her to stop him when we see, from his POV, that he wants nothing of the sort and will break the seals no matter what she says).
"She knew Egwene wanted Cairhien..."
05/11/2010 03:22:29 AM
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Do you have a reference that we can look at?
05/11/2010 03:24:39 AM
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Re: "She knew Egwene wanted Cairhien..."
05/11/2010 03:49:16 AM
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Re: "She knew Egwene wanted Cairhien..."
05/11/2010 01:42:54 PM
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Not if it allows the Seanchan freedom to conquer Randland. I'd rather have Egwene over the slavers.
07/11/2010 07:32:20 PM
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We all know Egwene is going to save the day while getting everything she wants and more
05/11/2010 04:14:55 AM
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Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father
05/11/2010 04:25:43 AM
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Re: Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father
05/11/2010 01:53:17 PM
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Re: Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father
05/11/2010 02:00:37 PM
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why?
05/11/2010 03:10:39 PM
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Re: why?
05/11/2010 04:23:16 PM
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That didn't sound like madman's ramblings at all....
05/11/2010 05:00:59 PM
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They're the ones who raised her this way! That's the last thing she needs.
06/11/2010 03:38:17 PM
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Um, can we assume her parents raised her that way?
08/11/2010 04:57:05 AM
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She's a short, female, youngest child of influential parents. Arrogance would come naturally to her.
09/11/2010 02:08:29 AM
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Huh
09/11/2010 07:56:15 AM
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Wow. What the fuck did your parents do to you? *NM*
09/11/2010 03:35:07 PM
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09/11/2010 06:14:30 PM
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I try to avoid projecting myself onto fictional characters. Or real people.
09/11/2010 06:45:14 PM
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Why don't you compare her to a summer's day while you're at it? *NM*
09/11/2010 07:45:20 PM
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well...
09/11/2010 08:18:08 PM
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I'm teasing you because you lay it on a little thick sometimes *NM*
10/11/2010 01:10:39 AM
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So?
05/11/2010 09:53:22 AM
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i agree. and this is part of the reason why i don't understand why people have a hard time w/ egwene
05/11/2010 03:56:48 PM
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Because many of us don't see trying to achieve power for its own sake to be a good thing
05/11/2010 06:53:27 PM
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She didn't say that. You changed the wording and read it without context.
05/11/2010 03:29:27 PM
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So?
05/11/2010 04:04:54 PM
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The engima that is Egwene
06/11/2010 01:41:43 AM
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I wonder if...
06/11/2010 05:17:45 AM
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You might have paid more attention than me when reading
06/11/2010 06:50:46 AM
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The reason rand didn't tell Egwene about why he needs to break the seals is simple
22/06/2011 10:49:25 PM
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That's the problem with Elayne that has emerged.
06/11/2010 03:31:41 PM
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Or, you know, she's being cleverer than you give her credit for...
06/11/2010 04:45:10 PM
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This is the problem with rulers - what is smart for them equals increasing their power. Which is bad
06/11/2010 08:40:19 PM
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The Andoran houses should ask one question of Elayne - and remove her if she answers wrongly
08/11/2010 02:03:08 AM
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Maybe it's typo
08/11/2010 06:38:26 PM
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I was proven to be right - it's typo since it was corrected in the Ebook version
02/06/2011 11:59:02 PM
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