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except... Zaphod Send a noteboard - 05/11/2010 03:49:45 AM


She also got control over the Kin by getting them to remain in Andor, which gives her channelers unbound by oaths that she can use in war. She now has cannons, thanks to Mat delivering them to her on a silver platter. She has weapons that no other country has and could conquer any nation she pleases. She has the backing of the White Tower to do it - if Egwene decides she "wants" a nation that is led by someone who won't bow to her, she could turn a blind eye while Elayne goes in and takes over. The potential for empire building - in the name of the WT - is all too glaring at this point, especially given Egwene's desire to control the entire world since that's what she thinks Aes Sedai should do. Whomever she can't manipulate under her personal control can be conquered by the nation of Andor, who just happens to be led by a queen who is sworn to obey Egwene. I've always thought Elayne should die, for varying reasons...now I'm even firmer about that position, but this time it's to keep the world from being forced into an Egwene-run WT tyranny.


At the end of the book hordes of shadowspawn are overrunning Caemlyn. They have the weapons she didn't fight so hard to get, and the Kin is probably slaughtered, or soon going to be. At least she won't have to give the sea folk a mile of land.

I do think she should die though... I still hold out hope that someone will stuff her in a vacuole until she's in labour, get her kids and stuff her in again so that Min's viewing will come true but we don't have to deal with her ever again. Or maybe Egwene can misconstrue something she's trying to do for the good of the people as 'starting a rebellion' against the White Tower and execute her.
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"She knew Egwene wanted Cairhien..." - 05/11/2010 03:22:29 AM 2388 Views
Do you have a reference that we can look at? - 05/11/2010 03:24:39 AM 905 Views
Chapter 45 - A Reunion, Page 669 - 05/11/2010 03:59:25 AM 1090 Views
Ok, now I've checked it. - 05/11/2010 04:07:20 AM 957 Views
Re: "She knew Egwene wanted Cairhien..." - 05/11/2010 03:49:16 AM 1105 Views
except... - 05/11/2010 03:49:45 AM 959 Views
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We all know Egwene is going to save the day while getting everything she wants and more - 05/11/2010 04:14:55 AM 1040 Views
Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father - 05/11/2010 04:25:43 AM 856 Views
Re: Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father - 05/11/2010 01:53:17 PM 872 Views
Re: Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father - 05/11/2010 02:00:37 PM 942 Views
Re: Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father - 05/11/2010 02:04:47 PM 860 Views
she's the youngest child - 07/11/2010 07:51:20 PM 776 Views
why? - 05/11/2010 03:10:39 PM 967 Views
Re: why? - 05/11/2010 04:23:16 PM 931 Views
That didn't sound like madman's ramblings at all.... - 05/11/2010 05:00:59 PM 996 Views
Re: That didn't sound like madman's ramblings at all.... - 05/11/2010 11:10:46 PM 871 Views
Hail Amrlyin Palpategwene - 06/11/2010 02:05:09 AM 938 Views
They're the ones who raised her this way! That's the last thing she needs. - 06/11/2010 03:38:17 PM 939 Views
Um, can we assume her parents raised her that way? - 08/11/2010 04:57:05 AM 793 Views
She's a short, female, youngest child of influential parents. Arrogance would come naturally to her. - 09/11/2010 02:08:29 AM 884 Views
Huh - 09/11/2010 07:56:15 AM 908 Views
Wow. What the fuck did your parents do to you? *NM* - 09/11/2010 03:35:07 PM 445 Views
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I try to avoid projecting myself onto fictional characters. Or real people. - 09/11/2010 06:45:14 PM 798 Views
too bad - 09/11/2010 08:20:04 PM 782 Views
Why don't you compare her to a summer's day while you're at it? *NM* - 09/11/2010 07:45:20 PM 380 Views
well... - 09/11/2010 08:18:08 PM 715 Views
I'm teasing you because you lay it on a little thick sometimes *NM* - 10/11/2010 01:10:39 AM 506 Views
You are seriously mis-perceiving a number of things. - 10/11/2010 01:30:47 AM 966 Views
So? - 05/11/2010 09:53:22 AM 835 Views
Re: So? - 05/11/2010 07:59:12 PM 869 Views
Re: So? - 06/11/2010 09:06:49 AM 756 Views
She didn't say that. You changed the wording and read it without context. - 05/11/2010 03:29:27 PM 979 Views
So? - 05/11/2010 04:04:54 PM 813 Views
The engima that is Egwene - 06/11/2010 01:41:43 AM 835 Views
I wonder if... - 06/11/2010 05:17:45 AM 818 Views
You might have paid more attention than me when reading - 06/11/2010 06:50:46 AM 814 Views
The reason rand didn't tell Egwene about why he needs to break the seals is simple - 22/06/2011 10:49:25 PM 867 Views
That's the problem with Elayne that has emerged. - 06/11/2010 03:31:41 PM 1002 Views
Or, you know, she's being cleverer than you give her credit for... - 06/11/2010 04:45:10 PM 867 Views
This is the problem with rulers - what is smart for them equals increasing their power. Which is bad - 06/11/2010 08:40:19 PM 819 Views
So fragmentation is the reply? - 06/11/2010 09:59:47 PM 809 Views
Checks and balances IS diluting power. - 09/11/2010 02:16:18 AM 830 Views
The Andoran houses should ask one question of Elayne - and remove her if she answers wrongly - 08/11/2010 02:03:08 AM 884 Views
Hear, hear. - 09/11/2010 02:18:49 AM 862 Views
Maybe it's typo - 08/11/2010 06:38:26 PM 1023 Views
Yes, I'm pretty certain it is. - 09/11/2010 09:00:32 AM 779 Views
Agreed - 09/11/2010 07:05:09 PM 718 Views
i thought it was a typo too *NM* - 10/11/2010 09:11:10 AM 479 Views

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