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Re: "She knew Egwene wanted Cairhien..." chandra Send a noteboard - 05/11/2010 03:49:16 AM
When I read that thought from Elayne, I had to stop and read it again. That statement does not bode well for the world. What happened to the girl who thought that, despite her being Aes Sedai, she would do what was right for her country no matter what Egwene wanted? Now, out of the blue, she's thinking in terms of delivering nations to Egwene as though Egwene is the Empress of the Westlands?

I have always believed Egwene to be a power mongering tyrant in the making, and she is well on her way to becoming just that. What I did not suspect is that Elayne might play Darth Vader to Egwene's Palpatine. Elayne truly frightened me in this book because she has the potential to become a tyrant as well...a tyrant that serves under another tyrant. That she sees things in terms of taking over nations because Egwene wants them does not cast her in a good light.

She also got control over the Kin by getting them to remain in Andor, which gives her channelers unbound by oaths that she can use in war. She now has cannons, thanks to Mat delivering them to her on a silver platter. She has weapons that no other country has and could conquer any nation she pleases. She has the backing of the White Tower to do it - if Egwene decides she "wants" a nation that is led by someone who won't bow to her, she could turn a blind eye while Elayne goes in and takes over. The potential for empire building - in the name of the WT - is all too glaring at this point, especially given Egwene's desire to control the entire world since that's what she thinks Aes Sedai should do. Whomever she can't manipulate under her personal control can be conquered by the nation of Andor, who just happens to be led by a queen who is sworn to obey Egwene. I've always thought Elayne should die, for varying reasons...now I'm even firmer about that position, but this time it's to keep the world from being forced into an Egwene-run WT tyranny.

Um, I think you are stretching it a bit there, by going into WT based empire building.
Everyone is going to get what they deserve. Hope that thought gives some comfort.
Isn't everyone in WoT re-born?
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"She knew Egwene wanted Cairhien..." - 05/11/2010 03:22:29 AM 2482 Views
Do you have a reference that we can look at? - 05/11/2010 03:24:39 AM 1002 Views
Chapter 45 - A Reunion, Page 669 - 05/11/2010 03:59:25 AM 1181 Views
Ok, now I've checked it. - 05/11/2010 04:07:20 AM 1054 Views
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except... - 05/11/2010 03:49:45 AM 1086 Views
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We all know Egwene is going to save the day while getting everything she wants and more - 05/11/2010 04:14:55 AM 1141 Views
Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father - 05/11/2010 04:25:43 AM 955 Views
Re: Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father - 05/11/2010 01:53:17 PM 958 Views
Re: Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father - 05/11/2010 02:00:37 PM 1045 Views
Re: Egwene also needs to talk to her mother and father - 05/11/2010 02:04:47 PM 950 Views
she's the youngest child - 07/11/2010 07:51:20 PM 854 Views
why? - 05/11/2010 03:10:39 PM 1063 Views
Re: why? - 05/11/2010 04:23:16 PM 1022 Views
That didn't sound like madman's ramblings at all.... - 05/11/2010 05:00:59 PM 1093 Views
Re: That didn't sound like madman's ramblings at all.... - 05/11/2010 11:10:46 PM 962 Views
Hail Amrlyin Palpategwene - 06/11/2010 02:05:09 AM 1027 Views
They're the ones who raised her this way! That's the last thing she needs. - 06/11/2010 03:38:17 PM 1043 Views
Um, can we assume her parents raised her that way? - 08/11/2010 04:57:05 AM 887 Views
She's a short, female, youngest child of influential parents. Arrogance would come naturally to her. - 09/11/2010 02:08:29 AM 985 Views
Huh - 09/11/2010 07:56:15 AM 1005 Views
Wow. What the fuck did your parents do to you? *NM* - 09/11/2010 03:35:07 PM 484 Views
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I try to avoid projecting myself onto fictional characters. Or real people. - 09/11/2010 06:45:14 PM 893 Views
too bad - 09/11/2010 08:20:04 PM 871 Views
Why don't you compare her to a summer's day while you're at it? *NM* - 09/11/2010 07:45:20 PM 409 Views
well... - 09/11/2010 08:18:08 PM 806 Views
I'm teasing you because you lay it on a little thick sometimes *NM* - 10/11/2010 01:10:39 AM 544 Views
You are seriously mis-perceiving a number of things. - 10/11/2010 01:30:47 AM 1059 Views
So? - 05/11/2010 09:53:22 AM 926 Views
Re: So? - 05/11/2010 07:59:12 PM 957 Views
Re: So? - 06/11/2010 09:06:49 AM 857 Views
She didn't say that. You changed the wording and read it without context. - 05/11/2010 03:29:27 PM 1070 Views
So? - 05/11/2010 04:04:54 PM 907 Views
The engima that is Egwene - 06/11/2010 01:41:43 AM 935 Views
I wonder if... - 06/11/2010 05:17:45 AM 914 Views
You might have paid more attention than me when reading - 06/11/2010 06:50:46 AM 903 Views
The reason rand didn't tell Egwene about why he needs to break the seals is simple - 22/06/2011 10:49:25 PM 962 Views
That's the problem with Elayne that has emerged. - 06/11/2010 03:31:41 PM 1091 Views
Or, you know, she's being cleverer than you give her credit for... - 06/11/2010 04:45:10 PM 958 Views
This is the problem with rulers - what is smart for them equals increasing their power. Which is bad - 06/11/2010 08:40:19 PM 908 Views
So fragmentation is the reply? - 06/11/2010 09:59:47 PM 898 Views
Checks and balances IS diluting power. - 09/11/2010 02:16:18 AM 920 Views
The Andoran houses should ask one question of Elayne - and remove her if she answers wrongly - 08/11/2010 02:03:08 AM 976 Views
Hear, hear. - 09/11/2010 02:18:49 AM 957 Views
Maybe it's typo - 08/11/2010 06:38:26 PM 1132 Views
Yes, I'm pretty certain it is. - 09/11/2010 09:00:32 AM 865 Views
Agreed - 09/11/2010 07:05:09 PM 820 Views
i thought it was a typo too *NM* - 10/11/2010 09:11:10 AM 517 Views

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