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Translation: Good point, I don't know what to say, so I''ll just say "blah blah blah" Mik Send a noteboard - 04/11/2010 08:14:11 AM
Notice the number of people who think Egwene was irrational to oppose Rand's plan to break the seals? They probably blanked out the dream she had, and the significance of its arrival just as Rand entered Tar Valon.


That's why I completely ignore anything Canolli or several others write at these stages of book release ... long winded rationale of how Egwene is stupid and possibly the DO in the flesh aren't worth my energy ... this one had me truly stumped though! How anyone can blame Egwene for a decision Nynaeve made for herself is beyond me!


Because Egwene all but directly threatened her and Elayne with "Tower justice" if they persisted in claiming the status she granted them. Her words to them are exactly as bad as the crime of demoting sisters for which she excoriates Elaida. Egwene granted them the shawl. She did not make it conditional on the Oath Rod or anything like that, and while she may not have made an overt statement of this, her mindset at the time was opposed to the Three Oaths. To later demand they fulfill a condition to retain that status is every bit as wrong as Elaida's assumption of the right to revoke said status as she pleases, and a violation of the exact same principle.

And as for the ad hominem attacks, I do not even really make an issue of this or agree with the original poster blaming that on Egwene. It was all Nynaeve's doing anyway. Nynaeve is great on the actions, but can be kind of short-sighted and not too clear on the fine points of principles.

I hold out hope that Elayne's refusal will in some way lead to the eradication of the Oaths or at least the Oath Rod.
Mik ~ Ishamaels halfmad 'brother'

Death dances in my footsteps....
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Want to slap Egwene *minor spoliers* - 03/11/2010 07:30:06 AM 1629 Views
Why should she not? *NM* - 03/11/2010 01:16:54 PM 332 Views
It's Nynaeve's choice. As Egwene said, anyone who wants to call themselves Aes Sedai must swear. *NM* - 03/11/2010 01:28:27 PM 457 Views
Honestly why would it be Egwene who should be slapped? - 03/11/2010 02:53:09 PM 942 Views
Its the usual Darius... - 03/11/2010 03:46:06 PM 789 Views
*sighs* - 03/11/2010 03:54:38 PM 770 Views
Re: *sighs* - 03/11/2010 05:12:05 PM 719 Views
she actually must have used TAR to influence Nynaeve in some way - 03/11/2010 10:07:19 PM 778 Views
LOL *NM* - 04/11/2010 04:19:09 AM 672 Views
Yes, what DID the woman who refused to even entertain discussion of ditching the Oath have to do? - 03/11/2010 07:48:39 PM 861 Views
Blah blah blah ... Not worth the energy to read - 04/11/2010 04:54:16 AM 665 Views
Translation: Good point, I don't know what to say, so I''ll just say "blah blah blah" - 04/11/2010 08:14:11 AM 806 Views
If you were bright enough to argue with I'd make the effort ... - 04/11/2010 02:40:31 PM 751 Views
Did she -in all her grandness and wisdom- mention that Dream to Rand? - 03/11/2010 04:25:28 PM 783 Views
To answer your question, no, she didn't tell him about her dream. *NM* - 03/11/2010 06:01:36 PM 324 Views
Funny how Eggy -in Fionwe's own words- 'blanked' out her own Dream then! - 03/11/2010 06:54:19 PM 792 Views
Rand/Egwene *spoilers* - 03/11/2010 08:55:33 PM 690 Views
You may want to actually read the book... - 03/11/2010 11:06:48 PM 700 Views
Re: You may want to actually read the book... - 04/11/2010 02:43:45 AM 826 Views
Huh? - 04/11/2010 03:11:05 AM 710 Views
You might want to make some sense. - 04/11/2010 07:48:51 AM 791 Views
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Indeed - 03/11/2010 05:11:06 PM 758 Views
Sigh..... - 03/11/2010 06:14:20 PM 915 Views
Sir, you really must overcome your resentment of strong women. *NM* - 03/11/2010 07:41:20 PM 343 Views
Indeed. Those strong women just bind me up....like cheese. *NM* - 04/11/2010 02:34:23 AM 496 Views
What's with all the tangential thinking? *NM* - 04/11/2010 04:23:12 AM 309 Views
Re: Its the usual Darius... - 04/11/2010 02:44:24 PM 740 Views
Since you spared the insults - 04/11/2010 08:16:43 AM 710 Views
agreed.. - 03/11/2010 06:19:47 PM 673 Views
Woah woah woah! - 04/11/2010 02:16:13 AM 760 Views
Re: Woah woah woah! *NM* - 04/11/2010 03:51:03 PM 313 Views

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