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But that explains their actions Cannoli Send a noteboard - 25/10/2010 01:41:50 AM
And what exactly makes that a war? The Whitecloaks seem to be the only ones actually continuing the conflict. Except for some illusions and a couple of pesky novices anyway.
Just because one side is powerful enough to ignore the other does not invalidate the state of mind of the Children. Their actions are explained by their own mentality. The lack of overt fighting back does not alter their own position.

We have a very good idea about this even without the PoV Trap. (Seriously, you used to have a point with that, but now you just seem to use it to justify actions that are portrayed in a negative way.) Aes Sedai are all darkfriends. Warders are darkfriends.
We're talking about people who channel. If you accept their admittedly flawed first premise, the rest follows naturally.
Anyone with a supernatural ability is a darkfriend.
This is hardly a fault solely to be placed at the feet of the Children of the Light. The Aes Sedai are little different. The Children's problem is they have no way to deal with such things short of getting rid of them. The knee-jerk reaction of most sisters to wolfbrothers and sniffers is suspicion. It's easy to be tolerant once you can safely establish that you outweigh them on the scale of supernatural power by several orders of magnitude.

Anyone who associates with darkfriends is a darkfriend.
Under suspicion, certainly. Siuan uses much more dubious links to advise the Amyrlin Seat that Cadsuane, the Aes Sedai engaged in the single most important task of any sister in the world at the time, was suspected of being a Darkfriend as well.

Anyone who doesn't like the Whitecloaks interfering with their daily lives is a darkfriend. You can stop blaming the PoV Trap because we actually see this happening! Rand is accused of being a darkfriend for behaving like a drunken idiot. The main characters were all darkfriends for travelling at night with a "darkfriend" (Rand).
Eh, he was young and new. You can hardly blame them for being suspicious.

The entire two rivers was a land of darkfriends for fortifying themselves against Trollocs and also figuring out they could now tell the Whitecloaks to get stuffed when they want to evangelise.
Actually, it was the Trolloc infestation that gave Ordeith's supernaturally-reinforced accusations credibility. Are we going to start evaluating Mat's attempted murder while under the influence of the Shadar Logoth dagger as a character flaw?
Even the White Tower's servants are darkfriends!
Who else would willingly serve the arch-minions of the Dark One?

Most of them are not the kind of "darkfriends" that would actually be killed (except for the supernatural ones). Confess you're a darkfriends, promise to walk in the light, or die. Clearly a model organisation.
Well, maybe if we ever saw them receiving the slightest modicum of cooperation from anyone they did not absolutely have under their thumbs, they wouldn't think they had to push so hard all the time. Recall that they DID try the peaceful approach at first, before turning to military methods. It is a valid possibility that they were driven to it by persecution of powerful individuals or groups who resented the preachers' claims that they might be harboring darkfriends, and that possibility is equally likely compared to those which reflect more poorly on them.

How benevolent could the Tower afford to be if they were not able to seize and enforce a monopoly over their specialty.

And none of this alters the issue I originally brought up. This is a massive time of change in WoT, and a lot of slates are being wiped blank. If the group that literally destroyed the world three thousand years ago can be rehabilitated and given a fresh start (with not a single individual yet shown to display the moral character of Galad Damodred or the service to the Light of Lord Captain Trom), why not the Children? I was comparing their organizations' reactions to the CURRENT similar crises, and everyone else starts bringing up old issues that they themselves are putting in the past because there are more important things to deal with (a notion that has occurred to maybe .6% of Aes Sedai).

I think the kinds of response I get to this are seriously indicative of some major mental flaws in the contemporary mindset. Whatever is going on in the popular zeitgeist, you people all get so hung up on the use of torture that you instinctively sympathize with the group that does a better job of hiding it, despite their far more egregious crimes against freedom. The suppression of other channeling organizations, and the brutalizing channelers who have no obligations or ties to their authority but choose to associate on their own are far more egregious crimes than being a bit rough when occupying a vacuum of authority. The former strike at the very concepts of personal freedom and free will and justice, whereas the worst one can quarrel with the Children over is their methods. The Tower pursues absolutely evil (with a lowercase 'e' ) goals, and because they are nice about it, that's all cool. But just because the Children become so sidetracked that they lost track of their mission in a way that just happens to touch on something held in public revulsion in contemporary society, they cannot even be given credit for their positive efforts in the current time.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
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The Children of the Light and the White Tower - 20/10/2010 08:32:10 PM 2439 Views
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The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. - 20/10/2010 09:05:55 PM 1232 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. - 21/10/2010 12:15:48 AM 1140 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. - 21/10/2010 02:59:49 PM 1129 Views
Hehe. Touché! *NM* - 21/10/2010 03:05:02 PM 593 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. - 24/10/2010 06:53:19 AM 1185 Views
But that explains their actions - 25/10/2010 01:41:50 AM 997 Views
Don't turn this around on the Aes Sedai - 27/10/2010 10:53:27 AM 1119 Views
Huh? ... what !! ... are you mad? - 21/10/2010 05:05:16 PM 1069 Views
Did you forget the very first PoV Darkfriend in the series? - 23/10/2010 03:27:25 PM 1049 Views
Difference being the whitecloaks who were ordered to do it were not DFs. All the AS evil deeds - 23/10/2010 07:55:23 PM 1067 Views
To echo Darius... - 23/10/2010 08:34:00 PM 989 Views
Re: To echo Darius... - 25/10/2010 10:03:14 AM 938 Views
Go look up the definition of the word atrocity - 25/10/2010 04:53:55 PM 956 Views
Maybe you should have done that yourself: "behaviour or an action that is wicked or ruthless" - 27/10/2010 11:11:30 AM 923 Views
the fact that you can't differentiate between the extermination of an entire village - 27/10/2010 08:30:12 PM 970 Views
READ; I *did* differentiate between them. It doesn't change the fact all are atrocious deeds - 28/10/2010 09:00:56 AM 1040 Views
- 28/10/2010 05:22:18 PM 911 Views
You asked for atrocities and you got them. Now you just don't know what to do with them. - 28/10/2010 06:49:16 PM 994 Views
dude, you gave us a list of petty crimes and compared it to mass murder - 28/10/2010 06:59:33 PM 951 Views
Complete the thought... - 28/10/2010 07:11:37 PM 868 Views
Rape, murder, starting wars and doing noting about them, kidnap / severe torture of prisoners... *NM* - 28/10/2010 07:51:33 PM 536 Views
What wars did they start? - 28/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 869 Views
You should be an Aes Sedai; the way you can twist truth would scare Siuan. - 28/10/2010 09:07:24 PM 907 Views
Wow... I'm sooo Insulted! - 28/10/2010 09:23:41 PM 922 Views
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Take your own advice, please - 28/10/2010 07:30:51 PM 939 Views
Re: Take your own advice, please - 28/10/2010 07:44:59 PM 883 Views
Their own organisation calls it rape. Simple. - 28/10/2010 08:26:49 PM 934 Views
Re: Take your own advice, please - 28/10/2010 09:18:17 PM 1088 Views
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Not so sure about that - 21/10/2010 02:29:02 AM 1020 Views
Re: Not so sure about that - 21/10/2010 03:57:34 AM 1034 Views
the city is closed to WC - 21/10/2010 04:01:45 AM 1064 Views
Re: the city is closed to WC - 21/10/2010 04:55:45 AM 906 Views
But that is irrelevant. Aes Sedai can also go to Amadicia in disguise. *NM* - 21/10/2010 05:35:18 AM 485 Views
But they aren't in disguise - 21/10/2010 08:31:38 AM 941 Views
They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise. - 21/10/2010 09:08:25 PM 897 Views
Re: They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise. - 22/10/2010 02:10:07 PM 978 Views
Don't be ridiculous... - 22/10/2010 04:52:55 PM 931 Views
No different - 23/10/2010 02:26:24 PM 1027 Views
Here is to hoping Egwene can get her head out of her ass. - 21/10/2010 10:30:10 AM 998 Views
Now hang on a minute! - 21/10/2010 07:28:45 AM 1153 Views
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Re: Now hang on a minute! - 21/10/2010 11:28:55 PM 1060 Views
Re: Now hang on a minute! - 22/10/2010 01:08:14 AM 1012 Views
IMO, the main difference between Egwene & Galad is... - 21/10/2010 12:36:53 PM 1087 Views
it would be an interesting comparison if they weren't completely different organizations - 21/10/2010 04:09:31 PM 1098 Views
You! - 22/10/2010 02:28:07 PM 1039 Views

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