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Did you forget the very first PoV Darkfriend in the series? Cannoli Send a noteboard - 23/10/2010 03:27:25 PM

As for the other crimes you attribute to them, the only known case of murder by the Children was by the same renegade officer and rapist.


TGH (The Shadow in Shienar) - Bornhold suppressed the growl that rose in his throat. Pacified. He wondered if the bodies had been piled outside the village, or if they had been thrown into the river. It would be like the Questioners, cold enough to kill an entire village for secrecy and stupid enough to throw the bodies into the river to float downstream and trumpet their deed from Alcruna to Tanchico.

Is mass murder not a crime now, or are you seriously going to pimp this as 'war' where anything goes? Actually, they're just marching around looking for trouble as usual, and the Questioners are purging the way for them. There's also no PoV trap here - this is from Bornhold himself. Not only that, but Bornhold suggests that this sort of event is not unique, and that the Questioners are not averse to radical activities, and are so clumsy in their bloodlust that they advertise their atrocities to the entire surrounding area due to stupidity alone.

Let's see a single event in the Tower's flawed history that comes even close to this event that hardly stands out in Whitecloak daily activites.
How about the murder of Sahra Covenry, the slaughter in Fal Dara, Temaile's ideas of fun, the torture and murder of that Kinswoman in LoC and innumerable other acts? Or did you forget that the incident you cite was ALSO the work of a Darkfriend! You DO remember that Jaichim Carridin was the commander of that project, and Bornhald's final command to Byar is to report on the actions of the Questioners to Pedron Niall. Plainly, he does NOT think this is usual, or has faith that such behavior will not be tolerated by the Lord Captain Commander. There is no indication that 'Bors' was acting normally either, since Niall reprimands him for screwing up his normal mission. Bors was acting under Ba'alzamon's orders in that operation and for the external impression of his actions was threatened with being turned over to his own Questioners.


In that same chapter Bornhold says that the Questioners are defined by their mastery of torture and that they decide guilt even before they begin. How is that 'acting in the name of the Light'? They don't even investigate the darkfriends properly, and force a confession if they feel like one, as said from a Lord Captain himself. By your analogy we might as well hang a pig and burn it, and say that 'at least the local populace are against witchcraft' when in actual fact they don't know how to investigate, take most of their delight from the act of torture and execution, and most importantly, kill the WRONG targets.
Bornhald is disgusted at the excesses of a commander secretly working for the Shadow, and like all the other NORMAL Children, resents the Questioners and notes how they act apart from the others and are not like real Children of the Light at all. They are one of those politically necessary encumbrances that groups which wield power for good or ill must endure, despite their disagreement with them. You claim they don't investigate properly, but we see no evidence of how they investigate one way or another, only the claims of their enemies and the sullen resentment of people they chastise for their shortcomings (who, despite your claims, are generally alive to piss and moan). We have seen no cases of the Children hanging the innocent in a book, and the one authorized execution (as opposed to atrocities in the field by Darkfriends) is of people we know to have been guilty all along.
Anyway, give me a man who stirs up passions against the Shadow and inadvertently motivates some illiterate peasant to go too far and sweep out an undesirable scumbag who happens to be innocent of Darkfriending, if nothing else, than the woman who terrorizes and traumatizes a loyal servant for merely inquiring about the existence of the Black Ajah and thus allows the most dangerous Darkfriend group in the world to thrive unchallenged. The Tower's approach and the Children's are simply opposite extremes, and equally justifiable and equally flawed.
Cannoli
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The Children of the Light and the White Tower - 20/10/2010 08:32:10 PM 2440 Views
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The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. - 20/10/2010 09:05:55 PM 1232 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. - 21/10/2010 12:15:48 AM 1140 Views
Huh? ... what !! ... are you mad? - 21/10/2010 05:05:16 PM 1069 Views
Did you forget the very first PoV Darkfriend in the series? - 23/10/2010 03:27:25 PM 1050 Views
Difference being the whitecloaks who were ordered to do it were not DFs. All the AS evil deeds - 23/10/2010 07:55:23 PM 1067 Views
To echo Darius... - 23/10/2010 08:34:00 PM 989 Views
Re: To echo Darius... - 25/10/2010 10:03:14 AM 938 Views
Go look up the definition of the word atrocity - 25/10/2010 04:53:55 PM 956 Views
Maybe you should have done that yourself: "behaviour or an action that is wicked or ruthless" - 27/10/2010 11:11:30 AM 923 Views
the fact that you can't differentiate between the extermination of an entire village - 27/10/2010 08:30:12 PM 970 Views
READ; I *did* differentiate between them. It doesn't change the fact all are atrocious deeds - 28/10/2010 09:00:56 AM 1040 Views
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You asked for atrocities and you got them. Now you just don't know what to do with them. - 28/10/2010 06:49:16 PM 994 Views
dude, you gave us a list of petty crimes and compared it to mass murder - 28/10/2010 06:59:33 PM 951 Views
Complete the thought... - 28/10/2010 07:11:37 PM 868 Views
Rape, murder, starting wars and doing noting about them, kidnap / severe torture of prisoners... *NM* - 28/10/2010 07:51:33 PM 536 Views
What wars did they start? - 28/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 869 Views
You should be an Aes Sedai; the way you can twist truth would scare Siuan. - 28/10/2010 09:07:24 PM 907 Views
Wow... I'm sooo Insulted! - 28/10/2010 09:23:41 PM 922 Views
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Take your own advice, please - 28/10/2010 07:30:51 PM 939 Views
Re: Take your own advice, please - 28/10/2010 07:44:59 PM 883 Views
Their own organisation calls it rape. Simple. - 28/10/2010 08:26:49 PM 934 Views
Re: Take your own advice, please - 28/10/2010 09:18:17 PM 1088 Views
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Not so sure about that - 21/10/2010 02:29:02 AM 1020 Views
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the city is closed to WC - 21/10/2010 04:01:45 AM 1064 Views
Re: the city is closed to WC - 21/10/2010 04:55:45 AM 907 Views
But that is irrelevant. Aes Sedai can also go to Amadicia in disguise. *NM* - 21/10/2010 05:35:18 AM 485 Views
But they aren't in disguise - 21/10/2010 08:31:38 AM 942 Views
They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise. - 21/10/2010 09:08:25 PM 897 Views
Re: They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise. - 22/10/2010 02:10:07 PM 978 Views
Don't be ridiculous... - 22/10/2010 04:52:55 PM 931 Views
No different - 23/10/2010 02:26:24 PM 1027 Views
Here is to hoping Egwene can get her head out of her ass. - 21/10/2010 10:30:10 AM 998 Views
Now hang on a minute! - 21/10/2010 07:28:45 AM 1153 Views
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IMO, the main difference between Egwene & Galad is... - 21/10/2010 12:36:53 PM 1087 Views
it would be an interesting comparison if they weren't completely different organizations - 21/10/2010 04:09:31 PM 1098 Views
You! - 22/10/2010 02:28:07 PM 1039 Views

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