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Puh-leeze right back at you: Mik Send a noteboard - 21/10/2010 08:24:12 AM
All the characters live in a world where the DO is bound to get loose and make everything horrible. And this will happen over and over again no matter what. The Shadow's stain on normal life even happens in turnings of the Wheel in which there isn't any channeling. So really, the Children should be blaming the Creator himself for the threat of the Shadow. That would make sense.
It was human error of judgement, overcome by curiosity and a search for ever more power that resulted in the drilling of the Bore (Beidomon & Mierin representing Pandora). It was a human choice -Elan Morin who willingly and by his own choice betrayed humanity's Hope-, by giving himself to Shai'tan.
It was human pride (Lews Therin) that resulated in the Tainting of the True Source.

You're saying Global Warming (and everything else for that matter) is all to be blamed on the Universe itself, because of how the Universe works and how it's Nature's Laws themselves that result in whatever anyone chooses to do or not do. You're willing to set aside every action by anyone, regardless of concequences because of the Way of the World...
Grow up; it's how concious beings with a choice how to act within those Laws decide to act. If I set fire to a buidling, it's not the fire and how Natural Law has it functioning that is to be blamed if it kills everyone inside.
It's all me.

Blaming the channelers for unleashing the DO is like having a house built by lousy contractors, then blaming your slightly overweight friend for sitting on your kitchen counter and it breaking apart. Yes, the friend's weight and choice of seats caused the actual destruction to occur, but the contractors are the people who set the whole situation up with their incompetent behavior and choices. Most reasonable folks want to put the blame where it's due; unreasonable ones want it to go anywhere - especially anywhere that absolves their own errors and omissions.
Your analogy is flawed, because the Creator didn't create a 'lousy house'. He built a good house, locking away all that could harm it (Evil/ Shai'tan) outside the house. It's (some of) the inhabitants who broke it as I explained above; it's men's choice, pride, lust for more Power & curiousity that broke the cathouse. Human Choice will decide if said cathouse is going be actually killed at Tarmon Gai'don.

If anything, blaming anyone - even the Creator - for the Shadow's appearance is a waste of time. Why? Because it misses the point that they still have to fight an incredible and difficult battle.
Puh-leeze right back at you! Mierin and Beidomon made a bad choice. Beidomon knew it, Mierin didn't care. Lews Therin did have a hand in why the Source was Tainted. He realizes full-well it was his overconfidence & pride that doomed all male channelers and the world. And RJ wants us to realize that too, judging by how often Lews Therin ponders about that.

Mik ~ Ishamaels halfmad 'brother'

Death dances in my footsteps....
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The Children of the Light and the White Tower Cannoli - 20/10/2010 08:32:10 PM 2440 Views
Re: The Children of the Light and the White Tower moratcorlm - 20/10/2010 08:58:12 PM 1102 Views
The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. Cannoli - 20/10/2010 09:05:55 PM 1233 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 12:15:48 AM 1140 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. Cannoli - 21/10/2010 02:59:49 PM 1129 Views
Hehe. Touché! *NM* Mik - 21/10/2010 03:05:02 PM 593 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. Datakim - 21/10/2010 04:35:00 PM 949 Views
And farmers are, of course, treated the same as rebel officers and usurpers and mutineers. Cannoli - 23/10/2010 03:07:10 PM 1028 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 07:55:06 PM 1056 Views
And there is no indication of how far that went. Cannoli - 23/10/2010 03:12:42 PM 913 Views
"The question" as opposed to "questioning" moratcorlm - 24/10/2010 06:21:43 PM 971 Views
And that would indicate everyone does it, if it is so commonly used, so how are the CoL worse? *NM* Cannoli - 25/10/2010 01:14:13 AM 627 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. rAndy aL - 24/10/2010 06:53:19 AM 1185 Views
But that explains their actions Cannoli - 25/10/2010 01:41:50 AM 997 Views
Don't turn this around on the Aes Sedai rAndy aL - 27/10/2010 10:53:27 AM 1119 Views
The utter stupidity of this statement caught my eye... fionwe1987 - 24/10/2010 08:12:58 AM 948 Views
Your analyses and extension of concepts always brings that "utter stupidity" phrase to my mind. Cannoli - 25/10/2010 02:17:10 AM 1115 Views
Huh? ... what !! ... are you mad? Sidious - 21/10/2010 05:05:16 PM 1069 Views
Did you forget the very first PoV Darkfriend in the series? Cannoli - 23/10/2010 03:27:25 PM 1050 Views
Difference being the whitecloaks who were ordered to do it were not DFs. All the AS evil deeds darius_sedai - 23/10/2010 07:55:23 PM 1067 Views
So similar scenes in the Cairhienin civil war were all the work of Darkfriends? Cannoli - 25/10/2010 02:25:57 AM 1004 Views
Please provide an example of a DF AS committing an atrocity and not being punished by the Tower darius_sedai - 25/10/2010 03:34:46 AM 967 Views
Just one? Here's a list from the top of my head in 60 secs:.. Mik - 25/10/2010 09:28:10 AM 1026 Views
Re: Just one? Here's a list from the top of my head in 60 secs:.. Sidious - 25/10/2010 04:14:05 PM 1159 Views
Not to mention it's not like any of these have been without repercussion! darius_sedai - 25/10/2010 04:50:39 PM 897 Views
Re: Not to mention it's not like any of these have been without repercussion! Mik - 27/10/2010 01:06:53 PM 1048 Views
You under some delusion that I'm defending the AS darius_sedai - 27/10/2010 08:29:14 PM 980 Views
No. I'm pointing out you are under the delusion that AS pay for their atrocities. Mik - 28/10/2010 09:16:38 AM 934 Views
okay, so AS never Still and execute AS for doing stuff ... have you read the series? darius_sedai - 28/10/2010 05:20:28 PM 954 Views
That doesn't make the -unpunished- atrocities disappear, you know. Your point is lame AND moot. Mik - 28/10/2010 07:07:27 PM 1024 Views
Re: That doesn't make the -unpunished- atrocities disappear, you know. Your point is lame AND moot. fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 07:09:33 PM 901 Views
Strawman argument, Sid. Mik - 27/10/2010 11:35:40 AM 972 Views
To echo Darius... fionwe1987 - 23/10/2010 08:34:00 PM 990 Views
Re: To echo Darius... Mik - 25/10/2010 10:03:14 AM 939 Views
Go look up the definition of the word atrocity darius_sedai - 25/10/2010 04:53:55 PM 956 Views
Their implicit role in the genocide of Manetheren was probable their greatest atrocity *NM* Knightscape - 26/10/2010 03:01:01 AM 582 Views
You mean the act that got Tetsuan deposed, Stilled and sentenced to hard labor until she gave up the darius_sedai - 26/10/2010 04:19:45 AM 1239 Views
Ya, the ultimated punishment of cleaning pots and floors NOOOOOOOO!!! Knightscape - 26/10/2010 11:59:51 PM 935 Views
Maybe you should have done that yourself: "behaviour or an action that is wicked or ruthless" Mik - 27/10/2010 11:11:30 AM 924 Views
the fact that you can't differentiate between the extermination of an entire village darius_sedai - 27/10/2010 08:30:12 PM 970 Views
READ; I *did* differentiate between them. It doesn't change the fact all are atrocious deeds Mik - 28/10/2010 09:00:56 AM 1041 Views
darius_sedai - 28/10/2010 05:22:18 PM 911 Views
You asked for atrocities and you got them. Now you just don't know what to do with them. Mik - 28/10/2010 06:49:16 PM 994 Views
dude, you gave us a list of petty crimes and compared it to mass murder darius_sedai - 28/10/2010 06:59:33 PM 952 Views
Complete the thought... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 07:11:37 PM 868 Views
seems I must do so for this guy to understand ... and I'm not holding my breath on that! darius_sedai - 28/10/2010 08:24:57 PM 1011 Views
Rape, murder, starting wars and doing noting about them, kidnap / severe torture of prisoners... *NM* Mik - 28/10/2010 07:51:33 PM 537 Views
again you fail to note that the AS have systems in place to prevent these things darius_sedai - 28/10/2010 08:23:32 PM 961 Views
Again you fail to note that the AS haven't used those "systems" of theirs Mik - 28/10/2010 09:02:15 PM 1164 Views
What wars did they start? fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 870 Views
You should be an Aes Sedai; the way you can twist truth would scare Siuan. Mik - 28/10/2010 09:07:24 PM 908 Views
Wow... I'm sooo Insulted! fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 09:23:41 PM 922 Views
fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 07:07:57 PM 1012 Views
Take your own advice, please Mik - 28/10/2010 07:30:51 PM 939 Views
Re: Take your own advice, please Sidious - 28/10/2010 07:44:59 PM 883 Views
Their own organisation calls it rape. Simple. Mik - 28/10/2010 08:26:49 PM 935 Views
Re: Take your own advice, please fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 09:18:17 PM 1088 Views
Come on. Just say it. Real men don't act like catty, bitchy women. *NM* Tom - 20/10/2010 11:14:49 PM 585 Views
"Rightly hold responsible for the threat of the Shadow?" Puh-leeze newyorkersedai - 21/10/2010 12:06:34 AM 965 Views
Puh-leeze right back at you: Mik - 21/10/2010 08:24:12 AM 943 Views
The Wheel was created so the DO could break in. The Creator plays his game with the DO thru people newyorkersedai - 21/10/2010 01:45:07 PM 940 Views
It was you who brought up that silly Real World kitchen example, silly. Mik - 25/10/2010 10:55:29 AM 790 Views
I could say you zinged me, but you're just bent on silliness. Bored now. *NM* newyorkersedai - 25/10/2010 10:54:41 PM 541 Views
Your personal theories do not constitute evidence, and your aberrant logic better supports MY case Cannoli - 21/10/2010 03:21:44 PM 1116 Views
Objection, your honor! Bringing evidentiary rules into this is asinine! *NM* newyorkersedai - 21/10/2010 11:22:19 PM 506 Views
The word "evidence" is not exclusive to the practice of jurisprudence Cannoli - 23/10/2010 03:31:57 PM 989 Views
Rational thinking. Well, you use the word "deserved" in all caps. Nuff said. *NM* newyorkersedai - 23/10/2010 04:55:02 PM 528 Views
Emphasis means nothing one way or another as far as rationality goes, which you would know... Cannoli - 25/10/2010 01:13:23 AM 1083 Views
You know zilch about my acquaintances. "mk" was wrong - you're not an idiot. But you are ignorable. *NM* newyorkersedai - 25/10/2010 10:57:04 PM 541 Views
fionwe1987 - 21/10/2010 01:47:19 AM 1104 Views
Not so sure about that moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 02:29:02 AM 1020 Views
Re: Not so sure about that fionwe1987 - 21/10/2010 03:57:34 AM 1035 Views
the city is closed to WC Foxhead - 21/10/2010 04:01:45 AM 1064 Views
Re: the city is closed to WC moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 04:55:45 AM 907 Views
But that is irrelevant. Aes Sedai can also go to Amadicia in disguise. *NM* fionwe1987 - 21/10/2010 05:35:18 AM 485 Views
But they aren't in disguise moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 08:31:38 AM 942 Views
They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise. fionwe1987 - 21/10/2010 09:08:25 PM 897 Views
Re: They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise. moratcorlm - 22/10/2010 02:10:07 PM 978 Views
Don't be ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 22/10/2010 04:52:55 PM 931 Views
No different moratcorlm - 23/10/2010 02:26:24 PM 1027 Views
CotL are welcome in Tar Valon to have a drink. Aes Sedai are hanged when found in Amadicia.. Mik - 21/10/2010 08:33:03 AM 1051 Views
Here is to hoping Egwene can get her head out of her ass. Hot Pie - 21/10/2010 10:30:10 AM 998 Views
Now hang on a minute! ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 21/10/2010 07:28:45 AM 1153 Views
Re: Now hang on a minute! moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 10:49:34 AM 1056 Views
Re: Now hang on a minute! rAndy aL - 21/10/2010 11:28:55 PM 1061 Views
Re: Now hang on a minute! moratcorlm - 22/10/2010 01:08:14 AM 1013 Views
IMO, the main difference between Egwene & Galad is... Mik - 21/10/2010 12:36:53 PM 1087 Views
it would be an interesting comparison if they weren't completely different organizations Zaphod - 21/10/2010 04:09:31 PM 1099 Views
You! Macharius - 22/10/2010 02:28:07 PM 1039 Views
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