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Yep, I agree ... Shishka Send a noteboard - 12/10/2010 09:18:57 PM
... Egwene not recognizing the dying man doesn't necessarily mean it's not Rand as he originally looked, but I'd bet against it simply because she was able to identify Rand by name in all other Dreams about him. I can't think of any other Dream of hers in which she didn't identify the subject of the Dream by name, but the subject could be Rand, or any of the 3 ta'veren for that matter.

It's not that I'm set on Rand having an appearance change. It's just that I've given a lot of thought over the years to all of the various prophecies, visions, etc. related (or maybe related) to Rand and the end of the series, and consequently the appearance-change idea has had a long time to percolate. I'm open to changing my mind on the idea, it's just unlikely to happen instantaneously (unless I read something relevant in the books, of course). You're theory has given me a lot more to think about, though, and that's always good.

One problem that occurs to me about your theory is ... if you're right, then sometime after Rand lives again, he will end up spilling his blood at Shayol Ghul, in the Pit of Doom, to save mankind, according to the K-cycle prophecy. But, he won't actually die again (presumably), which means everyone's assumption that the Dragon Reborn will die at SG to save mankind is wrong. That just doesn't seem right, to me. I understand why you think that though, as you explained in your theory, and I don't have a good counter-explanation at this point. That's another issue I struggle with myself - when Rand dies. Is it after the Battle of Caemlyn, or at SG? Solid arguments can be made for both cases, I think.

BTW, I completely agree with you that "2 women with Rand + Callandor" is a red herring.

I also agree that Rand faking his death cannot satisfy the "to live you must die" info from the Aelfinn. Rand actually has to die, not just appear to die.
Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.

-BHT&tM
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attn: Etzel re: theories on the fulfillment of Rand's death prophecies - 12/10/2010 12:35:42 AM 1550 Views
You never noticed the Noteboard feature, did you? - 12/10/2010 03:37:53 AM 798 Views
Actually, I made it a survey. - 12/10/2010 03:42:16 AM 743 Views
Horn Double Death - 12/10/2010 05:30:47 AM 1000 Views
If he dies when called by the Horn... - 12/10/2010 05:34:56 AM 677 Views
Re: If he dies when called by the Horn... - 12/10/2010 05:53:53 AM 667 Views
Re: If he dies when called by the Horn... - 12/10/2010 05:55:28 AM 707 Views
I just don't see that as Nynaeve's "area of expertise" - 13/10/2010 10:09:39 PM 755 Views
Nynaeve was the one who witnessed the weave, not Egwene. - 14/10/2010 12:38:14 AM 738 Views
Another Variation on the Horn - 13/10/2010 04:28:38 AM 702 Views
There's also the "ripped from TAR after death" theory, ala Birgitte (re how Rand lives again). - 12/10/2010 04:37:26 PM 809 Views
That be my theory - 12/10/2010 04:45:55 PM 838 Views
and from all other people - 12/10/2010 05:33:45 PM 936 Views
And your point is? *NM* - 12/10/2010 05:35:35 PM 357 Views
It's not specifically your theory. or a theory that you thought of first..... *NM* - 13/10/2010 04:32:48 PM 352 Views
Nobody said I thought of it first. - 13/10/2010 04:36:45 PM 670 Views
Re: Nobody said I thought of it first. - 13/10/2010 06:27:29 PM 761 Views
It's the truth. - 13/10/2010 06:29:56 PM 688 Views
Think of it this way, Emma... - 13/10/2010 06:00:11 PM 797 Views
Re: Think of it this way, Emma... *NM* - 13/10/2010 06:26:09 PM 414 Views
You could at least try not to contradict yourself. - 13/10/2010 06:29:11 PM 660 Views
Me being childish? - 13/10/2010 06:52:24 PM 712 Views
Some more thoughts ... - 12/10/2010 05:03:58 PM 837 Views
I don't think it is necessary that Rand be a public figure as Elayne's husband. - 12/10/2010 05:08:10 PM 713 Views
It's not that I think it's necessary, per se ... - 12/10/2010 05:44:03 PM 826 Views
On that particular point... - 12/10/2010 06:05:59 PM 811 Views
That's reasonable speculation, I think ... - 12/10/2010 07:58:23 PM 736 Views
I don't know that Egwene's lack of recognition necessarily means anything... - 12/10/2010 08:07:11 PM 645 Views
Yep, I agree ... - 12/10/2010 09:18:57 PM 726 Views
By the way ... - 12/10/2010 10:07:49 PM 649 Views
But that is not the only prophecy of Rand's death. - 12/10/2010 10:13:50 PM 652 Views
Just playing devil's advocate here ... - 12/10/2010 10:58:40 PM 806 Views
That raises an interesting question: - 13/10/2010 04:01:17 PM 737 Views
Re: That raises an interesting question: - 13/10/2010 05:57:39 PM 767 Views
IIRC... - 12/10/2010 07:58:39 PM 847 Views
That is unfortunate. - 12/10/2010 08:02:18 PM 748 Views
Switching bodies with Logain is mine. *NM* - 13/10/2010 05:03:43 AM 379 Views
Are we doing that now? I call dibs on Be'laim. - 14/10/2010 04:32:59 PM 799 Views
Body swap or Nynaeve heal seem the best bets to me. - 14/10/2010 04:42:16 PM 725 Views

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