... Egwene not recognizing the dying man doesn't necessarily mean it's not Rand as he originally looked, but I'd bet against it simply because she was able to identify Rand by name in all other Dreams about him. I can't think of any other Dream of hers in which she didn't identify the subject of the Dream by name, but the subject could be Rand, or any of the 3 ta'veren for that matter.
It's not that I'm set on Rand having an appearance change. It's just that I've given a lot of thought over the years to all of the various prophecies, visions, etc. related (or maybe related) to Rand and the end of the series, and consequently the appearance-change idea has had a long time to percolate. I'm open to changing my mind on the idea, it's just unlikely to happen instantaneously (unless I read something relevant in the books, of course). You're theory has given me a lot more to think about, though, and that's always good.
One problem that occurs to me about your theory is ... if you're right, then sometime after Rand lives again, he will end up spilling his blood at Shayol Ghul, in the Pit of Doom, to save mankind, according to the K-cycle prophecy. But, he won't actually die again (presumably), which means everyone's assumption that the Dragon Reborn will die at SG to save mankind is wrong. That just doesn't seem right, to me. I understand why you think that though, as you explained in your theory, and I don't have a good counter-explanation at this point. That's another issue I struggle with myself - when Rand dies. Is it after the Battle of Caemlyn, or at SG? Solid arguments can be made for both cases, I think.
BTW, I completely agree with you that "2 women with Rand + Callandor" is a red herring.
I also agree that Rand faking his death cannot satisfy the "to live you must die" info from the Aelfinn. Rand actually has to die, not just appear to die.
It's not that I'm set on Rand having an appearance change. It's just that I've given a lot of thought over the years to all of the various prophecies, visions, etc. related (or maybe related) to Rand and the end of the series, and consequently the appearance-change idea has had a long time to percolate. I'm open to changing my mind on the idea, it's just unlikely to happen instantaneously (unless I read something relevant in the books, of course). You're theory has given me a lot more to think about, though, and that's always good.
One problem that occurs to me about your theory is ... if you're right, then sometime after Rand lives again, he will end up spilling his blood at Shayol Ghul, in the Pit of Doom, to save mankind, according to the K-cycle prophecy. But, he won't actually die again (presumably), which means everyone's assumption that the Dragon Reborn will die at SG to save mankind is wrong. That just doesn't seem right, to me. I understand why you think that though, as you explained in your theory, and I don't have a good counter-explanation at this point. That's another issue I struggle with myself - when Rand dies. Is it after the Battle of Caemlyn, or at SG? Solid arguments can be made for both cases, I think.
BTW, I completely agree with you that "2 women with Rand + Callandor" is a red herring.
I also agree that Rand faking his death cannot satisfy the "to live you must die" info from the Aelfinn. Rand actually has to die, not just appear to die.
Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.
-BHT&tM
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.
-BHT&tM
attn: Etzel re: theories on the fulfillment of Rand's death prophecies
12/10/2010 12:35:42 AM
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Horn Double Death
12/10/2010 05:30:47 AM
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If he dies when called by the Horn...
12/10/2010 05:34:56 AM
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Re: If he dies when called by the Horn...
12/10/2010 05:53:53 AM
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Re: If he dies when called by the Horn...
12/10/2010 05:55:28 AM
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There's also the "ripped from TAR after death" theory, ala Birgitte (re how Rand lives again).
12/10/2010 04:37:26 PM
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That be my theory
12/10/2010 04:45:55 PM
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and from all other people
12/10/2010 05:33:45 PM
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And your point is? *NM*
12/10/2010 05:35:35 PM
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It's not specifically your theory. or a theory that you thought of first..... *NM*
13/10/2010 04:32:48 PM
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Nobody said I thought of it first.
13/10/2010 04:36:45 PM
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Think of it this way, Emma...
13/10/2010 06:00:11 PM
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Re: Think of it this way, Emma... *NM*
13/10/2010 06:26:09 PM
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Some more thoughts ...
12/10/2010 05:03:58 PM
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I don't think it is necessary that Rand be a public figure as Elayne's husband.
12/10/2010 05:08:10 PM
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It's not that I think it's necessary, per se ...
12/10/2010 05:44:03 PM
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On that particular point...
12/10/2010 06:05:59 PM
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That's reasonable speculation, I think ...
12/10/2010 07:58:23 PM
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I don't know that Egwene's lack of recognition necessarily means anything...
12/10/2010 08:07:11 PM
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Yep, I agree ...
12/10/2010 09:18:57 PM
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I'm not so sure the 'blood on the rocks' isn't a red herring any more.
13/10/2010 06:23:18 PM
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By the way ...
12/10/2010 10:07:49 PM
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