Sammael thinks that if he's holding the Power Graendal can't compel him
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/10/2010 04:10:07 PM
Uniting seems likely, except for Taim and his croneys, but will the men take the 3 oaths?
Egwene was brought around to it by Suian after she intended to remove the 3 oaths forever.
It would seem a very unfair advantage that men would remain un oathed and all AS would stay oathed.
Thoughts?
Because compulsion wtich the oath rod is doesn't work on men holding the Power.
Huh? Where did you get the idea that compulsion with the oath rod doesnt work on men holding the power? That's never happened before.
I believe Graendal thinks it when Sammael gates in to one of ther first meatings in the books, but I can’t remember which book that happens in right now so I’ll have to look for it tomorrow.
Idk, never saw oath rod + man in any scene I can remember and I cant see how a man wouldnt be affected
at least not use the more subtle forms ("tricks" )of Compulsion on him. And Rand is resistant to Alanna's attempts to Compel him via the Warder Bond (although this is not conclusively proven to have anything to do with him holding saidin).
LOC
Threads Woven of Shadow
She used Compulsion so often like a hammer that one might forget that she could wield the weaker forms of it with great delicacy, twisting a mind’s path so subtly that even the closest examination might miss every trace of her. In fact, she might have been the best at that who ever lived.
He let the gateway vanish but held on to saidin; those tricks did not work on someone wrapped in the Source.
Sammael actually thinks anyone holding the Power is immune to the more subtle forms of Compulsion.
Later it's proven that at least when the stronger forms of Compulsion are used a channeler embracing the Source is not immune to the stronger weaves.
TPoD
New Alliances
She had spun the nets strong, for anger’s sake, nearly strong enough to do harm, and the women stood staring at her adoringly, eyes wide and mouths hanging open in adulation, intoxicated with worship. They were hers to command, now. If she told them to cut their own throats, they would. Suddenly Graendal realized that Moghedien was no longer embracing the Source. This much Compulsion might have shocked her into letting go.
seems obvious that strong Compulsion can overpower the "immunity"
Emphasis mine.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
This message last edited by darius_sedai on 07/10/2010 at 04:11:14 PM
Will the Black Tower & White Tower unite & if so will men take the 3 oaths?
01/10/2010 07:27:19 AM
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Hopefully they all come to their senses and stop hamstringing themselves with dumb oaths
01/10/2010 08:21:26 AM
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Re: Hopefully they all come to their senses and stop hamstringing themselves with dumb oaths
01/10/2010 09:55:42 AM
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01/10/2010 03:28:44 PM
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Re: Hopefully they all come to their senses and stop hamstringing themselves with dumb oaths
02/10/2010 05:23:06 AM
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Which is why they need to pull their heads outta their butts and ditch the oaths altogether! *NM*
02/10/2010 11:00:22 AM
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Hopefully no, and it seems like the themes point against it.
01/10/2010 12:30:16 PM
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Disagree w/ respect to the Towers unifying
02/10/2010 07:05:09 PM
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And look what happened to the AoL
02/10/2010 09:44:35 PM
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Wow, you have a lot to say lol
03/10/2010 08:12:57 AM
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Also keep in mind that the symbols of saidin and saidar are not the ying and yang symbols
08/10/2010 04:28:50 PM
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Unify: yes, but not set themselves apart. Oaths: I don't think so.
07/10/2010 08:53:52 PM
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Maybe the first, the second can't happen.
07/10/2010 12:45:10 AM
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07/10/2010 06:27:02 AM
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07/10/2010 07:12:26 AM
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07/10/2010 07:29:36 AM
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Sammael thinks that if he's holding the Power Graendal can't compel him
07/10/2010 04:10:07 PM
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