And how many reincarnated Forsaken had Moiraine met when she made that statement?
Joel Send a noteboard - 04/10/2010 08:32:36 AM
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Everyone who dies from balefire is dead forever, according to Moridin. Every Forsaken who had died has been reincarnated except Asmodean who will 'die the final death' for betrayal. Sammael was killed by Mashadar.
I think it's a big possibility that we may see him return. The only reason we might not see him again is if there isn't enough time for the DO to find him a suitable body.
Thoughts?
Even if we treat her as omniscient as infallible, despite having examples that disprove that view, she didn't know that was possible (or at least, we have no reason to believe she did, and if she did you'd think she'd have been as careful to make sure all Forsaken die by balefire as Rand now is. ) There's still a window of opportunity unless the balefire is fairly powerful, however impractical and unlikely it is the DO will have the prior knowledge to take advantage of it. And, rightly or wrongly, I take "Sammael is toast" at face value; it would be very cheap, to me, if an author told his readers point blank that a character was dead just so he could shock them with a resurrection (and before anyone decides to scream hypocrisy, the bible makes clear as far back as the OT that Jesus would rise from the dead; it was only a shock because people didn't do their homework nor listen to Him when He said that's what would happen. )
Also, there are a lot of things we don't know about Mashadar, such as what happens to the people it consumes. Do they get spun about by the Wheel again, or do they become part of Mashadar? Could the power of Mashadar, which is the equal of the DOs at least within Shadar Logoth (hence the Cleansing) prevent Sammaels reincarnation whether or not it made him part of it?
In short, while I can't say definitively that we'll never see him again, I think the same is at least as true for statements about Be'lal, and still think he's the one who's coming back for one more round.
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Will we see Sammael again?
03/10/2010 12:14:33 PM
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Re: RJ said ...
03/10/2010 12:20:44 PM
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I'd like to have that quote, please?
03/10/2010 11:42:11 PM
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Sammael is toast *NM*
03/10/2010 12:56:59 PM
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That's one of the most misattributed answers I've seen.
03/10/2010 07:07:32 PM
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RJ made several statements, and so has BS. He is gone. Here's another:
04/10/2010 07:29:29 PM
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Along these lines, I think another worthwhile question might be...
03/10/2010 02:18:31 PM
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I doubt it ... If RJ intended that I think we would have already seen in In the 3 books since his
03/10/2010 04:02:45 PM
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Aside from the "toast" comments I would have to ask the purpose of his return...
03/10/2010 04:07:08 PM
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I think Sammael is a huge asset to the Shadow
03/10/2010 04:47:14 PM
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Demandred serves the exact same purpose and from what we know to a higher level
03/10/2010 07:47:48 PM
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It doesn't have to be either/or
03/10/2010 09:09:11 PM
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True. I'm just saying that this late in the story it would serve little purpose.
03/10/2010 09:33:03 PM
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And how many reincarnated Forsaken had Moiraine met when she made that statement?
04/10/2010 08:32:36 AM
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