Pretty much - Egwene always wants to pin the blame on someone else; she won't appreciate correction
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 02/10/2010 08:30:02 PM
So, chapter one is out, and I'm enormously pleased with the way it went.
Clearly, the "new" Rand is not a rehash of the bland Rand of EotW. And clearly, he's going to go talk to Egwene now.
But what about? Clearly, he doesn't expect her to be happy. It also looks like he at least knows she's in Tar Valon, or near it.
He's known that for a while - he sent Merise & Narishma to Tar Valon to bring his offer to Egwene. Just because he's heading toward Tar Valon doesn't mean he knows how the whole rebellion thing shook out (maybe he saw from the mountain that the siege was broken up, and is assuming she won).Clearly, the "new" Rand is not a rehash of the bland Rand of EotW. And clearly, he's going to go talk to Egwene now.
But what about? Clearly, he doesn't expect her to be happy. It also looks like he at least knows she's in Tar Valon, or near it.
But he doesn't know how much she has changed, and she doesn't know how much he has changed.
How, exactly has she changed? Egwene in tGS was more of the same no matter what you think of her. Depending on your perspective, she is carrying on her well-established habits of self-glorification, Aes Sedai adulation, blame redistributing and hypocritical or unjustified criticism; or else she maintained her great and glorious course of awesome skill and dilligence and maturity and superiority. Or you have been lying all along, and now admit that her great (stipulated for the sake of argument) deeds of tGS were a departure from her normal course of vicious petty bitchiness. In which case, I win, courtesy of Point 7 of my Aegwenist Guide to tGS (http://www.readandfindout.com/wheeloftime/messageboard/37187/ ).Make up your mind dude - one way or another YOU ARE WRONG. I have caught you now stating three distinct and contradictory positions.
1. Egewne was mostly (or even always) awesome and/or right
2. Egwene was awesom and/or right in tGS
3. Egwene has changed.
Either you are wrong about the last or wrong about one of the prior two points. She cannot have changed significantly and still been awesome in her opposition to the other protagonists, all the way through. Either she was lousy and changed for the better, or she was great and changed for the worse, or she did not change.
I have a vague feeling neither is going to be as distressed at what the other has to say as they may imagine, though I do expect there to be disagreement.
"Stand before the Amyrlin Seat and know her anger" Fortelling. I would agree with you on the preference, and wish we COULD take the notion that Egwene has converted from Tower Loyalist to Reasonable Human at face value, but Elaida's Foretelling argues otherwise. Note that it does not say the Amyrlin in question will be right, or that it will matter to Rand or have an effect on what he does, but she's going to let him have it. Basically, I think Rand intends to tell Egwene she needs to get the Tower united. Which she has done already.
Or he's gonna say that now that she doesn't have the rebellion as an excuse, it's time to fall in and be part of the solution, rather than part of the problem. The way genuinely great leaders who have done more for the world than simply wrangle themselves a promotion way before their time have had to. Given all her prior insistance that Aes Sedai following or being subordinate to the Dragon Reborn is "ridiculous" or unthinkable, I can imagine some characteristic anger at this position. Or maybe you're right and she HAS changed from the litte bitch who said that back in LoC. But since one of her last PoVs included her hearing that men cannot be trusted and her reaction was "true enough," I'll have to take a wait-and-see position.He may also tell her that the Seanchan have to be left alone for now. I think this is the part he anticipates her to dislike hearing. Maybe that'll happen, maybe not.
Also true. It would be completely in character for her to blame the messenger and hold it against him that he has not been absolutely successful in fighting off the Seanchan, despite that not really being his job and despite him being much more successful in his efforts than her over-hyped performance in the midst of the Tower's losing a battle to them. For her part, I think Egwene will have issues with the Black Tower and Taim.
If every single sister who went to the Black Tower from KoD on is dead, Rand STILL has greater reasons to take offense at the White Tower than Egwene has at the Black. Not to mention Rand has helped Egwene far more than she has helped him. The last thing Egwene ever offered him out of genuine helpfulness undiluted by personal interests, was in BOOK 2! I read that almost twenty years ago! If Faile lived in the real world, she would not have been born when I first read the last words describing Egwene being nice to Rand! Either way, it should be great to see them both together again after they've both changed so much.
It would make a nice coming about full circle, since she was the first PoV to really show Rand as the Dragon-Reborn-guy we got to meet in tGS.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
I think I know what they're going to talk about...
01/10/2010 05:52:33 PM
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Pretty much - Egwene always wants to pin the blame on someone else; she won't appreciate correction
02/10/2010 08:30:02 PM
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Do you really think he'll tell her to back off the Seanchan?
02/10/2010 09:33:06 PM
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We can hope.
02/10/2010 09:48:26 PM
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She'd be pissed just like everyone else in the series.
03/10/2010 12:52:58 AM
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She has no reason to be pissed about being asked to follow Rand - but that won't stop her of course.
03/10/2010 12:57:48 PM
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So you would be fine if the leader of your country simply decided one day to follow someone else in
03/10/2010 04:00:27 PM
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I'll bet Eggy gets ta'veren'd *NM*
05/10/2010 06:19:40 AM
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that would ruin her character just as much as it would have ruined Tuon's *NM*
05/10/2010 06:34:09 AM
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Maybe because they leash female channelers and practice chattel slavery?
05/10/2010 03:29:31 PM
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Yeah, a 50 year threat of nuclear war is so much better than an army that couldn't cross the Channel
06/10/2010 03:52:49 AM
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almost certainly
05/10/2010 04:26:43 AM
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Yes, but Tuon is now the aggressor
05/10/2010 04:35:17 PM
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Calling her the agressor does not increase the threat. The situation is unchanged
07/10/2010 06:35:15 PM
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you know all those prophecies that say he will "bind the 9 moons to him"?
07/10/2010 07:04:50 PM
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I ask again, what evidence is there of their corruption?
08/10/2010 01:56:49 AM
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We'll all find out soon enough about the truth of the prophecies. I admit that any of these options
08/10/2010 02:47:10 AM
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that's why she won't like hearing it
07/10/2010 07:19:29 PM
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I'm not convinced he will at this point is what I'm saying
07/10/2010 07:59:03 PM
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the Rand in chapter one seems likely to preach love not war
08/10/2010 05:32:21 AM
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They are on the offensive is the point. Even if Rand says not to attack them to Egwene
08/10/2010 01:45:49 PM
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