Almost none of those reasons applied in the AoL, so what's your point?
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 01/10/2010 03:20:59 PM
We know that novices and accepted are generally kept from fraternizing with men so they don't end up getting pregnant as that would interfere with their studies. AS may eventually become so used to being single that they become less interested in pursuing a relationship.
There is no evidence that this policy was pursued in the AoL. And even if it WAS, the Tower has no problem with novices and Accepted screwing one another silly. In the AoL, there would have been male novices and Accepted, so they could have had relationships.
There's also maturity to consider. AS are around 30 by the time they're raised to the shawl. Men who have the same maturity as an AS at that point are likely either married or not interested in settling down, and an AS may not wish to get involved with someone less mature. Also, keep in mind that a new AS is still pretty inexperienced in relationships since she's spent a number of years in seclusion during which most young people actively court each other. On the flip side, many men who are familiar with AS are at best wary of them, so that probably lowers the pool of potential partners as well.
In the AoL, EVEN IF everything was exactly the same, there would be men in the same boat, so there would be a dating pool to whom this limitation would not apply.
Ajah rules may play a part. The Blue for example, forbid marriage (but ostensibly not sex ), and other Ajahs might either frown upon or forbid marriages or sexual relationships. I can see Red having such bans in place. Green is the only exception that we're aware of. However, since there have been debates among AS as to whether their lack of children is contributing to a decline in channeling ability, we can probably assume that at least some Ajahs in addition to the Green don't forbid sex. Ajah politics might have some role here as well, a husband and children might create divided loyalties, which the Ajahs liekly don't want.
There is no evidence of marriage or children being outlawed or frowned upon in the AoL. LTT has sonS & daughterS, so he was able to knock out at least 4 kids.
It doesn't seem to be a big problem with the Green, but they generally seem to stick with Warders and Warders are sworn to obey their AS, and she can fall back on coercing him through the bond. I wouldn't be surprised that the Green might have some sort of secret weave for contraceptive purposes though, since it's a bit strange that they have no observed children. Perhaps it's an Ajah rule given their role the whole "Battle Ajah", they might wish to prevent children from being orphaned should the AS die in battle.
There was no battle in the AoL, so again, not an issue.
Even then, there does seem to be a largely spinster culture in the WT as a whole that tends to discourage relationships, largely due to the extended lifespan. There's repeated mentions of AS watching not just their husbands and children, but great-grandchildren and later descendants grwoing old and dying. Not necessarily specific examples of this happening, but given as a reason for why AS avoid relationships. Possibly at sometime in the past, marriages and families may have caused various difficulties to the point where the AS tried to discourage them.
Men live just as long. In the AoL, this would not have applied.I don't think the Oath Rod itself prevents procreation. We know that AS do (if rarely) have sex. Also, in Manetherin, the Queen was always an AS, and presumably the realm had dynastic succession. So that does indicate the likelyhood of children (though I'm unsure as to whether or not the Oath Rod was in place at point). Other AS in the past were queens or other rulers, so likely they would want dynastic succession as well. Dynastic succession doesn't necessarily need to involve having children (e.g.: the WT trying to get Moiraine on the throne of Cairhien in NS; even though she's a Blue and can't marry, she would probably either produce an heir outside marriage or be succeeded by another member of the Damodred family when her rule finally ended had she gone along with the WT's attepts to put her on the throne), but it does make it easier to secure succession.
I'm aware of and agree with all these reasons, BUT this didnt stop Aes Sedai in the AoL from having children.
And as I pointed out, NONE OF THAT APPLIED in the AoL. Your seeming assertion is that the reasons given by orious are wrong because channelers in the AoL were able to overcome those impediments. Actually, the implication of orious' reasons is that channelers in the AoL could have kids just fine, but in the circumstances of the Age of Suck, there are impediments to the sisters raising families.
Several children. We don't know if back then two channelers together always produced channelers, or maybe some of their children would not be able to channel.
Either way they seemingly reproduced enough for there to be many Aes Sedai. The only inconsistency I can see is that in the AoL it was paradise and all the above mentioned reasons didnt exist to stop two Aes Sedai from procreating.
Yes. So what's the deal with this reply?Either way they seemingly reproduced enough for there to be many Aes Sedai. The only inconsistency I can see is that in the AoL it was paradise and all the above mentioned reasons didnt exist to stop two Aes Sedai from procreating.
OTH it could also be the Oath Rod, since Elayne (unbound) is pregnant, Aviendha (unbound) will be pregnant, Nynaeve at least engages in sex so likely she will become pregnant and Suian suddenly is in love and possibly has a sex drive.
And is now sworn on the Oath Rod, as of the end of tGS. Perhaps even the Aes Sedai don't know that the Oath Rod deters their desires. Whoever found the oath rod probably had little idea what it did besides the main function, no history shows that they knew it was meant to be used on criminals.
There is no evidence that it curtails their sex lives, since Aes Sedai DO have sex. The Greens are reputed to be very sexually active, and at least two Red PoV characters have had sex with male partners in their history.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Does the Oath Rod destroy the urge to procreate?
- 01/10/2010 07:23:43 AM
996 Views
It's more the overall culture of the AS, I think
- 01/10/2010 09:12:25 AM
718 Views
BUT this didnt stop Aes Sedai in the AoL
- 01/10/2010 02:58:22 PM
744 Views
Almost none of those reasons applied in the AoL, so what's your point?
- 01/10/2010 03:20:59 PM
510 Views
Point is
- 01/10/2010 03:33:41 PM
466 Views
the real reason is that having a bunch of AS babies running around would be a plot inconvenience *NM*
- 02/10/2010 06:15:01 PM
201 Views
The answer is very simple. The WT discourages AS from having families as it distracts for being AS
- 03/10/2010 01:08:30 AM
493 Views
OTOH, maybe they're all just post-menopausal *NM*
- 03/10/2010 06:53:34 AM
239 Views
I hope they all had good hormones... Try and imagine 1000 women going through the "change" at once
- 03/10/2010 04:12:57 PM
442 Views
Which were their ages before they swore.
- 11/10/2010 06:53:19 PM
471 Views
Probably not. But then they are much older. We know the Slowing happens starting in most women's
- 12/10/2010 01:43:50 AM
449 Views
The Aes Sedai murder all their initiates who don't agree with "Tower uber alles"
- 01/10/2010 02:11:29 PM
629 Views
no but your questions do 
*NM*
- 10/10/2010 05:38:41 PM
213 Views
*NM*
- 10/10/2010 05:38:41 PM
213 Views
I dunno, I think I got wood. No, wait... Its Rigor Mortis. (sorry, too funny to keep to myself) *NM*
- 11/10/2010 01:32:17 AM
207 Views