I agree that trying to mimic RJ would have been a mistake, but as you say, the vocabulary could have been better matched. I am kind of ambiguous about the Mat humor in tGS, and I suppose that is another case of it being just as well that B-Sand went his own way rather than try to handle it in RJ's style.
Perhaps. The problem I have with Mat is that humor was such a defining trait of his character that if you change it he no longer seems himself.
My "feelings" pre-TGS have turned out more or less right so far. I thought Brandon would "do" an acceptable Perrin and an acceptable Egwene, that his Rand would be bearable. I had predicted he would struggle massively with Mat and also with Nynaeve, Tuon and Elayne, and that his handling of minor players, that he would not invest as much in as the main characters, would be very uneven.
That's not too far from my post-TGS opinions. Egwene was a bit more uneven than expected, Cadsuane was worse than expected, Nynaeve a very mixed-bag. Perrin and Faile were OK, perhaps the best of the lot. Rand was a little better than expected (especially later in the book,Egwene was more off and on again - though it appears Egwene was so uneven largely because Jordan had written some of her story line), though I wonder from what you were saying earlier if you agree with me it feels as if Brandon just couldn't wait from the dark-Rand parts to have been over and in his "relief" he might well overdo the post DM/laughter and tears Rand, because it's the lighter, more heroic Rand he likes (I found the half-mad, dark character more interesting to read about than the more naive early version of Rand, for myself. I don't like early Mat and early Egwene much at all either. Perrin remains my favourite of the early POV).
However, as you point out, other characters are funny, too. He seems to have labeled Mat as the Comic Relief, and made a conscious effort to write humor into his storyline, and completely neglect the potential humor elsewhere. For example, some of the funniest things have come out of Nynaeve's mouth, albeit unconsciously, but then Mat was not really one for wisecracking either. The humor in his PoV, IMO, came more from his askance perspective on things other characters took seriously than his dialogue. Thom was better at the ironic asides in RJ's books too. He is more of a straight man with B-Sand.
Exactly. I'm not really surprised. Whatever his flaws or weaknesses, there's no denying Jordan mastered the POV routine. I always liked how much attention to detail he put to build up unique POV "voices" for each character, even the secondary ones.
The subtleties of these we're familiar from a great deal of re reading (and too much time on our hands to analyze) - and we would probably not highlight all the same aspects of each character that define us for us. Some we find crucial, some we remain unaware of consciously.
I'm not that surprised this proved beyond the capacity of Brandon (and even Harriet) to fully master. To Jordan, this was probably for the most part natural and he was so good at it there was probably little or no input from the editor to keep it constant. I doubt he had notes to remind him Nynaeve comments on trees and plants she sees, and Rand won't etc. He just did it. It's one of the problems with TGS: Brandon included extremely RJ-like bits, bit sometimes they were given to the wrong players - Rand describing the people around him too much - Elayne would do something like this, not Rand. And so on.
For Brandon it's just too many details to juggle with, and he couldn't write and return to Jordan's books all the time while writing - he probably had to rely on notes he took during his speedy reread, for the most part (he concentrated mostly on the "voices", he said). What escaped him in the "voices" during this reread is probably what isn't in TGS, or is off. He wrote the novel in the time Jordan might have done it, or close. With a year for in-depth POV analyzing, he probably would have been much closer to the real deal. Same for Harriet, I guess. I think she relied mostly on her memory, didn't have time to return to the books to immerse herself in each character's voice before editing. As for Maria, she seems to have had her hands full with factual continuity.
As you say about Elayne, there was a lot of humor in her PoV too. She was kind of a very subtle Margaret Dumont for WoT as the one who keeps encountering myriad inconveniences. Getting hit by problems, instead of pies, as it were. I guess we'll see how that goes.
I find her even funnier than Mat often enough, and the funniest of all in my book is Nynaeve (that aspect is now gone). I bet Elayne is gonna be very hard to pull off.
The other I find worrying is Moiraine. I have a really bad feeling that Brandon will be a lot more sympathetic to that character than Jordan himself was. Jordan to TFOH walked the very fine line between antagonist and protagonist. A lot of his earlier uses of Moiraine, especially her POVs, was very unforgiving yet not judgmental (he used Siuan a bit the same way - giving us enough to understand her thinking and her actions, but never shying from her flaws and negative aspects either). I would really hate (but fear) to see her return as a "bleached" Moiraine, without any of her grating or grey aspects remaining.
This message last edited by DomA on 24/09/2010 at 06:48:04 PM
mistakes sanderson makes that bug you
23/09/2010 05:38:52 PM
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Bael mentioning the Aiel Waste; characters using words that are too sophisticated or techical
23/09/2010 06:11:34 PM
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I completely agree...
23/09/2010 08:54:17 PM
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Re: I completely agree...
24/09/2010 01:57:38 AM
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Re: I completely agree...
24/09/2010 06:39:17 PM
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Oh, sh**, Moiraine! I never thought about that! The comments about her in tGS suggest you're right
26/09/2010 03:23:56 AM
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The entire Graendal scene
23/09/2010 06:27:03 PM
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I think this is the type of info that RJ never got around to revealing.
23/09/2010 08:46:51 PM
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Particularly the way he described sex. It reeked of Mormon discomfort with the topic.
24/09/2010 02:04:08 AM
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Reeked? Great word. It seemed quite in line with RJ's own dealings with the topic. *NM*
24/09/2010 03:42:28 AM
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RJ had great sexual humor--he even went a little overboard sometimes IMO
24/09/2010 11:28:25 PM
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Re: RJ had great sexual humor--he even went a little overboard sometimes IMO
25/09/2010 08:56:47 PM
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RJ said breasts all the time, but in a more clinical manner - folding arms under breasts, etc
26/09/2010 03:33:09 AM
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Actually, didn't RJ do the Forsaken infodump thing too?
24/09/2010 04:09:48 AM
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Re: Actually, didn't RJ do the Forsaken infodump thing too?
24/09/2010 05:36:23 PM
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A lot of those are reasons why I always thought she was alive..
24/09/2010 06:10:35 PM
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Re: A lot of those are reasons why I always thought she was alive..
24/09/2010 07:54:54 PM
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Re: Actually, didn't RJ do the Forsaken infodump thing too?
25/09/2010 10:02:02 AM
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Re: Actually, didn't RJ do the Forsaken infodump thing too?
25/09/2010 08:48:05 PM
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Not really a mistake, I guess
25/09/2010 09:45:54 PM
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Well...
26/09/2010 06:30:54 AM
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Thanks. I think I didn't notice it with RJ because
26/09/2010 06:35:47 AM
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