As I read that scene, I got a really weird feeling.
Anyway, I also got the feeling that the whole thing was contrived and not very well explained or thought out. From my line of reasoning, it would seem much more likely for someone in Graendal's place to think; "al'Thor has found me. So, to throw him off the track, I'll send his emissary back to him w/o any Compulsion on him, (since that is exactly what he is expecting)."
In other words, by putting Compulsion on Ramshalan, it pretty much provided the proof that Rand needed.
Plus, having Delana do the weave was a real stretch, IMO. Especially since Graendal didn't do it because she knew Rand was going to BF the place and use the weave's disappearance as proof she was there. (She only thought of that at the last moment).
And another thing. Who taught Delana such a complicated weave of Compulsion that Nynaeve would compare it to Graendal's sophisticated form? We know that most AS that learned this weave used it as children to get their way with their parents before coming to the Tower. Once they are in the Tower, the weave is strictly prohibited from being used or taught. Plus, we have already seen Liandrin try to use Compulsion on Moggy, and Moggy showed her what the weave was really capable of. (So we know she didn't know how to make a really complicated Compulsion weave, and would use this as our bar for comparison.)
We know Graendal didn't teach Compulsion to Delana, and it is out of the question that saidin-wielding Aran'gar could have taught her.
One other thing. I checked back for the following quote from Brandon:
The Gathering Storm Book Tour, Borders Dallas 14 November 2009 - Claireducky reporting:
Claire: (comment regarding the thread on Dragonmount where some are arguing that by balefiring Graendal's palace, the compulsion disappeared since there'd never had been a palace in the first place, and others are arguing that it doesn't work that way, objects don't have threads).
Brandon: Everything has a thread, not just souls. Even a stone in a wall has a thread in the Pattern.
So, if the stones in the walls have a thread in the Pattern, and Rand BF'd the bejesus out of the whole palace that Graendal just vacated....
Anyway, I also got the feeling that the whole thing was contrived and not very well explained or thought out. From my line of reasoning, it would seem much more likely for someone in Graendal's place to think; "al'Thor has found me. So, to throw him off the track, I'll send his emissary back to him w/o any Compulsion on him, (since that is exactly what he is expecting)."
In other words, by putting Compulsion on Ramshalan, it pretty much provided the proof that Rand needed.
Plus, having Delana do the weave was a real stretch, IMO. Especially since Graendal didn't do it because she knew Rand was going to BF the place and use the weave's disappearance as proof she was there. (She only thought of that at the last moment).
And another thing. Who taught Delana such a complicated weave of Compulsion that Nynaeve would compare it to Graendal's sophisticated form? We know that most AS that learned this weave used it as children to get their way with their parents before coming to the Tower. Once they are in the Tower, the weave is strictly prohibited from being used or taught. Plus, we have already seen Liandrin try to use Compulsion on Moggy, and Moggy showed her what the weave was really capable of. (So we know she didn't know how to make a really complicated Compulsion weave, and would use this as our bar for comparison.)
We know Graendal didn't teach Compulsion to Delana, and it is out of the question that saidin-wielding Aran'gar could have taught her.
One other thing. I checked back for the following quote from Brandon:
The Gathering Storm Book Tour, Borders Dallas 14 November 2009 - Claireducky reporting:
Claire: (comment regarding the thread on Dragonmount where some are arguing that by balefiring Graendal's palace, the compulsion disappeared since there'd never had been a palace in the first place, and others are arguing that it doesn't work that way, objects don't have threads).
Brandon: Everything has a thread, not just souls. Even a stone in a wall has a thread in the Pattern.
So, if the stones in the walls have a thread in the Pattern, and Rand BF'd the bejesus out of the whole palace that Graendal just vacated....
Where once was Shadow
Now reigns Light
Darkness fades
Into the Night
I made the switch!
Now reigns Light
Darkness fades
Into the Night
I made the switch!
Sidious was TOTALLY on the money!
21/09/2010 06:26:42 AM
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Kudos to Sidious! But you should probably change the title of your post-- highly spoilerish
21/09/2010 07:15:32 AM
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Change the title. *NM*
21/09/2010 07:21:15 AM
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I'm in accord with Deadsy, as usual. malekithe should start paying attention to the forum rules
21/09/2010 11:34:35 PM
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I've changed the title _several times_. "ToM" means it is a spoiler, so enough whining. *NM*
22/09/2010 12:18:07 AM
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Stop being dense. ANYONE who looks on the forum can see the topic titles
22/09/2010 02:55:52 AM
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It is only fair that smart one escapes, and the dumb one is toast. *NM*
21/09/2010 09:42:49 AM
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Thanks... it was kind of nice to be right about something
21/09/2010 10:15:54 AM
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It's good to see that after all the battles to prove we weren't crazy that we were ultimately right
21/09/2010 04:06:48 PM
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But did all the "Graendal lives" people specify what Sidious seems to have?
21/09/2010 05:02:12 PM
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I did ... even though I sat on the fence about her being alive my supposition was always
21/09/2010 05:53:56 PM
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Mines didn't; he one-upped many of our ideas on one or two details
21/09/2010 07:28:43 PM
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While I did say that Moggy could be the Compulsor, I later changed it to a darkfriend channeler.
22/09/2010 04:28:44 PM
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congrats sidious! damn, people totally lambasted your earlier theory....
21/09/2010 05:58:42 PM
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Etzel, on the other hand, must be pulling his hair out with frustration. *NM*
22/09/2010 12:08:05 AM
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Thanks dickwad.
22/09/2010 02:35:20 AM
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The worst part is he's arguing with people about it rather than just changing it like everyone else
22/09/2010 02:56:57 AM
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Just how is this a debatable issue?
22/09/2010 03:28:40 AM
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Pretty debatable considering admins specifically said you don't have to if ToM tag is used. *NM*
24/09/2010 02:47:45 PM
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Why don't you look at the time tags on the announcement and this post.
29/09/2010 12:35:54 PM
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Deja vu
23/09/2010 06:58:02 PM
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Trying to figure out Balefire is just going to give you a headache! *NM*
24/09/2010 04:05:40 AM
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