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Re: You've made a long list of channelers "incompetant" and "untrained". Enough. darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 23/09/2010 03:42:31 PM

There is also nothing to say that a well trained Channeler would NOT know when a shield was placed on them. One Gasp just isn't compelling evidence to me that she was holding the Power when Graendal shielded her.

So, now Toviene is also an untrained channeler?

You do realize how ridiculous you sound right? Here's a recap:

Rand: Too new to the OP. Even when LTT was whispering in his head, apparently.

Asmodean: Too exhausted.

Nynaeve: Too new to the OP.

Egwene: Too new to the OP.

Siuan: Distracted.

Toviene: I dunno. Do you want to go with untrained, incompetent, shocked or retarded?

Aran'gar: Super awesome channeler who can do what no one else in the series has shown any ability
in.


You know how ridiculous you sound when you say "Aran'gar gasped therefore she must have been holding the Power"?

Graendal's strength must have been vastly enhanced By her weak angreal to do as you say. I can buy that, but I don't buy that based on one Gasp we have enough evidence to back up your claim. Why is that so hard for you grasp?
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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a very weak angreal - 21/09/2010 04:55:15 PM 1710 Views
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Re: OK, I haven't read the scene, so I don't know if Arangar was holding saidin at the time or not. - 21/09/2010 07:11:42 PM 1622 Views
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Graendal's seemed much weaker... - 21/09/2010 07:52:20 PM 1508 Views
Elayne also called the x2 turtle angreal "weak"... - 21/09/2010 08:00:01 PM 1512 Views
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I disasgree. There is no evidence that Aran'gar was holding saidin at the time - 21/09/2010 07:42:23 PM 1451 Views
Then why did she gasp at the shield? She couldn't have known what Graendal was weaving. - 21/09/2010 07:52:49 PM 1486 Views
because she was surprised that Graendal would put a shield on her in the first place - 21/09/2010 07:58:45 PM 1500 Views
How did she know there was a shield? - 21/09/2010 09:16:59 PM 1458 Views
Fact: Graendal cannot shield a male Forsaken and an Aes Sedai if they are holding the Source... - 21/09/2010 09:28:17 PM 1457 Views
Who said "they"? - 21/09/2010 09:55:28 PM 1429 Views
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Provide evidence? - 21/09/2010 10:36:36 PM 1455 Views
Thanks, but like I said, they were both wrapped in air. That's enough for Aran'gar to wonder - 21/09/2010 10:44:17 PM 1367 Views
They gasped before Graendal wove Air... - 21/09/2010 11:13:48 PM 1433 Views
Alright, you win *NM* - 22/09/2010 02:51:26 AM 968 Views
*NM* - 22/09/2010 03:06:22 AM 834 Views
Siuan was distracted by a number of other things going on, not to mention how suspect - 22/09/2010 02:43:36 PM 1349 Views
And Aran'gar was fully focussed on Graendal? - 22/09/2010 03:02:16 PM 1584 Views
More so than Siuan was on Elaida when they were shielded. - 22/09/2010 03:33:15 PM 2364 Views
So? - 22/09/2010 03:48:11 PM 1292 Views
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Nice catches! - 22/09/2010 04:06:52 PM 1492 Views
we don't know that - 22/09/2010 02:35:50 PM 1429 Views
Huh? - 22/09/2010 03:03:52 PM 1375 Views
Give over, Darius... there's plenty of evidence... - 22/09/2010 03:45:11 PM 1422 Views
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Re: take a pill Fionwe ... no need to go batshit on me for having an opinion. - 22/09/2010 05:45:05 PM 1534 Views
if it was JUST one shield ... but she's shielding an AS and weaving a Gateway too! - 22/09/2010 05:48:52 PM 3455 Views
Well... - 22/09/2010 07:00:26 PM 1470 Views
She says... - 22/09/2010 07:04:32 PM 1466 Views
no one is arguing that - 22/09/2010 07:09:17 PM 1412 Views
Er... - 22/09/2010 07:19:09 PM 1367 Views
I'm contending that it's possible Aran'gar snesed she'd been shielded - 22/09/2010 07:20:48 PM 2192 Views
Re: I'm contending that it's possible Aran'gar snesed she'd been shielded - 22/09/2010 07:26:52 PM 2156 Views
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You've made a long list of channelers "incompetant" and "untrained". Enough. - 23/09/2010 01:53:25 AM 1508 Views
Re: You've made a long list of channelers "incompetant" and "untrained". Enough. - 23/09/2010 03:42:31 PM 1407 Views
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Re: . The evidence is that no channeled is that strong! - 23/09/2010 04:04:02 PM 1532 Views
Really? - 23/09/2010 06:11:00 PM 1487 Views
Re: Really? - 23/09/2010 09:56:09 PM 1360 Views
That's my point *NM* - 24/09/2010 12:20:45 AM 967 Views
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Continue being irrational then... - 22/09/2010 05:46:19 PM 1490 Views
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Re: Continue being irrational then... - 24/09/2010 03:20:49 AM 1578 Views
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see that's an argument that makes more sense to me - 22/09/2010 05:47:17 PM 1461 Views
Re: How did she know there was a shield? - 24/09/2010 04:42:25 AM 1404 Views
You'[re missing the part about the bonds of air as well - 21/09/2010 11:06:04 PM 1402 Views
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It's not the male/female issue. It's a Forsaken vs Forsaken issue... - 22/09/2010 10:06:47 AM 1379 Views
Re: It's not the male/female issue. It's a Forsaken vs Forsaken issue... - 22/09/2010 01:31:52 PM 1463 Views
Fair point. - 22/09/2010 02:07:05 PM 1447 Views
I think it also bears mentioning that ... - 22/09/2010 04:17:17 PM 1460 Views
Graendal knew Aran'gar was distracted - 23/09/2010 07:10:52 AM 1370 Views
About shielding a channeler holding the Source... - 22/09/2010 05:51:34 PM 2478 Views
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The angreal makes this an unnecessary debate... - 22/09/2010 07:09:20 PM 1371 Views
she never shielded them - 22/09/2010 07:22:29 PM 1371 Views
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LMAO... nice! - 22/09/2010 08:24:20 PM 1396 Views
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A lot of unsubstantiated assumptions there... - 22/09/2010 07:13:51 PM 1303 Views
I would agree - 22/09/2010 07:22:50 PM 1456 Views
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Mostly agree - 22/09/2010 07:23:53 PM 1374 Views
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So there are 6 Forsaken left. - 21/09/2010 10:23:22 PM 1679 Views
For the record - 21/09/2010 10:53:16 PM 1569 Views
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yes, totally Lesbian. *NM* - 22/09/2010 03:04:16 PM 968 Views
No, the other L word. "LesbiAHNS?" *NM* - 22/09/2010 04:18:55 PM 1024 Views
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Lady parts + Lady parts = Lesbian sex - 24/09/2010 11:24:36 PM 2045 Views
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Shadow invading Kandor and Lan riding trough it. CONNECTION? - 22/09/2010 08:36:05 PM 1632 Views
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I had a similar thought, but... - 23/09/2010 10:40:58 PM 1484 Views
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