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Graendal knew Aran'gar was distracted malekithe Send a noteboard - 23/09/2010 07:10:52 AM

I think its pretty clear that Aran'gar was holding saidin if she gasped. It's a recurrent reaction we've seen when a channeler is suddenly shielded and loses their connection with the Source.

I also don't think that strength is a primary determinant here. Graendal is immensely skilled. Aran'gar was facing the window and unprepared. We know that channelers can shield one another if they are of equal strength. IMO Graendal is stronger or equal to her and overwhelmed her with sheer speed and surprise. Whether she used the angreal is difficult say, but the author usually mentions if a channeler pulls through one.

We also don't know whether she shielded Delana and Aran'gar at the exact same time, or did it quickly and sequentially. She's certainly fast enough to pull off two shields that look like a single weaving.

Anyway, I don't find it a big stretch for a female Forsaken to shield a male. I think it's been a well established fact that the females are close to the males in strength, and Graendal is near to the top of all channeling strengths.

If it was that easy for Graendal to incapacitate Balthamel (and an Aes Sedai at the same time), then the Moghediens, Mesaanas, Asmodeans etc. of this world would not have existed for very long.

Not to mention what more powerful channelers than Graendal (Ishamael, Cyndane, Lanfear etc) could have done to them.

I mean, Rand himself said that just shielding two normal Aes Sedai is no trifling matter of the Power, let alone shielding a Forsaken and an Aes Sedai at the same time.

Anyway, I just question what this would imply for the ability of weaker members of the Forsaken to survive for any length of time.


But it is that easy. It's been made clear on several occasions that the Forsaken are at maximum readiness while they're around each other. Even very powerful Forsaken like Sammael, Lanfear and Rahvin fill themselves to the brim with the One Power when they're around each other. They prepare counter weaves and hold them in place and watch each other intently. It only takes one slip, and I do believe Aran'gar may be the first true example of this that we've seen in the series. She did the worst thing possible - she allowed herself to be distracted by Rand, turned away and allowed Graendal to be placed behind her. Such a small thing is all that was needed for Graendal to have the upper hand, and ultimately led to Aran'gar's downfall. I do think that many Forsaken fell in such a casual manner, which is why channelers like the Forsaken survived. They never ever let their guard down. It must be very stressful.

If they're ready around each other, then none of these Forsaken can take each other on, but even Rahvin alluded to the danger of having Lanfear behind him. He could very easily have died in that scene had Lanfear not wished to speak with him. He didn't even know she was there until she spoke. Aran'gar is the end-point of what I've always suspected would happen to someone like that if they became too comfortable around Graendal.


Graendal saw that Aran'gar was distracted, her back was turned to her, that alone was enough for Graendal to think she could shield Aran'gar.

It would be like two swordsmen who are nearly identical in skill, but if one of then turns their back to the other then he is going to get himself killed.

I agree that usually the Chosen are all filled with the Power and on alert around each other normally because they know what will happen if they don't pay attention. In this case Aran'gar had no idea what Rand was doing and was totally focused on him. Also she had no good reason to believe that Graendal would go against her, if anything she might think that Graendal would link with her to oppose Rand or bail with her.

I feel that Aran'gar was either not holding the source (to keep a low profile so Rand wouldn't wonder why someone was holding onto Saidin very strongly when no one should be doing that in Natrin's Barrow) and she gasped because she saw Graendal weav a gateway and then she immediately tried to seize the source & found out she'd been shielded OR she was holding onto the source, but not to her full capacity as she had no intention of confronting Rand nor making a beacon of Saidin for him to see.

Either way Graendal realized Aran'gar was distracted by Rand and that was enough for her to shield her. As for Delana she probably was not even holding the source before Graendal wove the gateway because she knew Graendal would see her holding it and be suspicious of why she dared to in front of her.
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Not even Ishamael could shield another male Forsaken and an Aes Sedai at the same time... Shannow - 21/09/2010 06:46:42 PM 1821 Views
It's different (I think?) but I'm certainly no expert and I'm sure someone else will reply Deadsy - 21/09/2010 06:57:18 PM 1744 Views
OK, I haven't read the scene, so I don't know if Arangar was holding saidin at the time or not Shannow - 21/09/2010 07:00:23 PM 1553 Views
Re: OK, I haven't read the scene, so I don't know if Arangar was holding saidin at the time or not. Deadsy - 21/09/2010 07:11:42 PM 1660 Views
Thanks. Was Arangar channeling at the time? Shannow - 21/09/2010 07:13:53 PM 1641 Views
I think so, yes. fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 07:15:44 PM 1588 Views
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I don't think she even closed her Gateway. It think it was BF'd *NM* BlackAdder - 21/09/2010 11:52:01 PM 940 Views
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no she wasn't *NM* Deadsy - 21/09/2010 10:25:13 PM 1051 Views
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So here's what happens... fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 07:15:03 PM 2027 Views
Thanks. A few comments... Shannow - 21/09/2010 07:27:33 PM 1510 Views
I don't rule out the angreal... fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 07:32:40 PM 1546 Views
Elayne's weakest angreal doubles her strength. Graendal x2 can easily shield Cyndane+Moggy, so... Shannow - 21/09/2010 07:35:06 PM 1678 Views
Graendal's seemed much weaker... fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 07:52:20 PM 1537 Views
Elayne also called the x2 turtle angreal "weak"... Shannow - 21/09/2010 08:00:01 PM 1548 Views
and we know it wasn't enough to overwhlem Verin's circle darius_sedai - 21/09/2010 08:02:13 PM 1395 Views
I disasgree. There is no evidence that Aran'gar was holding saidin at the time darius_sedai - 21/09/2010 07:42:23 PM 1489 Views
Then why did she gasp at the shield? She couldn't have known what Graendal was weaving. fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 07:52:49 PM 1529 Views
because she was surprised that Graendal would put a shield on her in the first place darius_sedai - 21/09/2010 07:58:45 PM 1543 Views
How did she know there was a shield? fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 09:16:59 PM 1499 Views
Fact: Graendal cannot shield a male Forsaken and an Aes Sedai if they are holding the Source... Shannow - 21/09/2010 09:28:17 PM 1488 Views
Who said "they"? fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 09:55:28 PM 1469 Views
Depends on the level of surprise, I guess. If he was only holding a trickle of saidin, then maybe Shannow - 21/09/2010 10:05:37 PM 1531 Views
I don't think strength is the only determinant... fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 10:24:24 PM 1495 Views
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Provide evidence? fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 10:36:36 PM 1493 Views
Thanks, but like I said, they were both wrapped in air. That's enough for Aran'gar to wonder Deadsy - 21/09/2010 10:44:17 PM 1400 Views
They gasped before Graendal wove Air... fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 11:13:48 PM 1482 Views
Alright, you win *NM* Deadsy - 22/09/2010 02:51:26 AM 986 Views
*NM* fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 03:06:22 AM 848 Views
Siuan was distracted by a number of other things going on, not to mention how suspect darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 02:43:36 PM 1394 Views
And Aran'gar was fully focussed on Graendal? fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 03:02:16 PM 1621 Views
More so than Siuan was on Elaida when they were shielded. darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 03:33:15 PM 2402 Views
So? fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 03:48:11 PM 1325 Views
It doesn't matter. There are more Shieldings that go unnoticed when not holding the Source Mik - 22/09/2010 03:55:48 PM 1424 Views
Nice catches! fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 04:06:52 PM 1530 Views
we don't know that darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 02:35:50 PM 1475 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 03:03:52 PM 1409 Views
Give over, Darius... there's plenty of evidence... Mik - 22/09/2010 03:45:11 PM 1453 Views
Give over what? There is no hard evidence that Aran'gar wouldn't notice a shield put on her darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 05:00:11 PM 1365 Views
What rot... (also, Egwene and Rand) fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 05:21:08 PM 1478 Views
take a pill Fionwe ... no need to go batshit on me for having an opinion. darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 05:38:21 PM 1452 Views
Re: take a pill Fionwe ... no need to go batshit on me for having an opinion. Sidious - 22/09/2010 05:45:05 PM 1579 Views
if it was JUST one shield ... but she's shielding an AS and weaving a Gateway too! darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 05:48:52 PM 3494 Views
Well... Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:00:26 PM 1508 Views
She says... fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 07:04:32 PM 1511 Views
no one is arguing that darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:09:17 PM 1446 Views
Er... Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:19:09 PM 1409 Views
I'm contending that it's possible Aran'gar snesed she'd been shielded darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:20:48 PM 2232 Views
Re: I'm contending that it's possible Aran'gar snesed she'd been shielded Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:26:52 PM 2204 Views
Again, I just find that option completely unlikely since Graendals angreal isn't all that strong darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:39:02 PM 1462 Views
You've made a long list of channelers "incompetant" and "untrained". Enough. fionwe1987 - 23/09/2010 01:53:25 AM 1543 Views
Re: You've made a long list of channelers "incompetant" and "untrained". Enough. darius_sedai - 23/09/2010 03:42:31 PM 1449 Views
fionwe1987 - 23/09/2010 03:54:02 PM 1451 Views
Re: . The evidence is that no channeled is that strong! darius_sedai - 23/09/2010 04:04:02 PM 1572 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 23/09/2010 06:11:00 PM 1534 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 23/09/2010 09:56:09 PM 1399 Views
That's my point *NM* darius_sedai - 24/09/2010 12:20:45 AM 984 Views
Dear God! The sheer amount of replies here just blew my mind, and my window (jk). *NM* Bookwyrm - 24/09/2010 07:28:14 PM 1006 Views
Y o u' r e h u r t i n g m y s c r o l l b a r *NM* Marshall - 24/09/2010 11:30:27 PM 997 Views
Re: She says... Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:12:48 PM 1454 Views
Exactly. fionwe1987 - 23/09/2010 01:54:05 AM 1436 Views
The way it reads she is holding open a Gateway, then slams shields on both darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:08:17 PM 1421 Views
Continue being irrational then... fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 05:46:19 PM 1527 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 05:53:05 PM 1394 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 07:03:02 PM 1404 Views
Nope darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:19:30 PM 1301 Views
Re: Nope fionwe1987 - 23/09/2010 02:06:35 AM 1465 Views
Toveine! Now THAT is a good catch, fionwe! Mik - 23/09/2010 07:57:05 AM 1575 Views
Sidious pointed it out, actually. But thanks! fionwe1987 - 23/09/2010 03:55:29 PM 1453 Views
And you ignore all the evidence in the series that definitively makes it impossible for Graendal to darius_sedai - 23/09/2010 03:57:49 PM 1341 Views
Well... Sidious - 23/09/2010 04:31:27 PM 1519 Views
According to Fionwe she isn't using the angreal darius_sedai - 24/09/2010 11:18:30 PM 1655 Views
Re: According to Fionwe she isn't using the angreal Sidious - 25/09/2010 09:38:41 AM 1506 Views
Possible, but he specifically calls out when she ties off other weaves in the scene darius_sedai - 25/09/2010 04:28:48 PM 1507 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... iHeartGraendal - 24/09/2010 03:20:49 AM 1624 Views
Oh come on.. be real Sidious - 22/09/2010 05:39:51 PM 1420 Views
see that's an argument that makes more sense to me darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 05:47:17 PM 1500 Views
Re: How did she know there was a shield? Gee69 - 24/09/2010 04:42:25 AM 1439 Views
You can sense the source when shielded. Entering a stedding you can't even sense it. *NM* Myrdhyn - 24/09/2010 02:46:09 PM 1090 Views
You'[re missing the part about the bonds of air as well Ryan - 21/09/2010 11:06:04 PM 1436 Views
No. The sequence was shield-gasp-tie off shield-wrap in Air. *NM* fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 11:14:41 PM 1024 Views
We have seen people holding the source caught off guard by a shield *NM* Ryan - 22/09/2010 12:10:48 AM 977 Views
Well, exactly! fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 02:01:12 AM 1498 Views
Aran'gar and Delana were caught with their pants down by Graendal Ryan - 22/09/2010 06:40:41 AM 1715 Views
What I think happened Sidious - 22/09/2010 09:19:57 AM 1455 Views
It's not the male/female issue. It's a Forsaken vs Forsaken issue... Shannow - 22/09/2010 10:06:47 AM 1425 Views
Re: It's not the male/female issue. It's a Forsaken vs Forsaken issue... Sidious - 22/09/2010 01:31:52 PM 1504 Views
Fair point. Shannow - 22/09/2010 02:07:05 PM 1479 Views
I think it also bears mentioning that ... Bookwyrm - 22/09/2010 04:17:17 PM 1503 Views
Graendal knew Aran'gar was distracted malekithe - 23/09/2010 07:10:52 AM 1415 Views
About shielding a channeler holding the Source... lilltempest - 22/09/2010 05:51:34 PM 2514 Views
Re: About shielding a channeler holding the Source... Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:04:37 PM 2951 Views
The angreal makes this an unnecessary debate... Shannow - 22/09/2010 07:09:20 PM 1407 Views
she never shielded them darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:22:29 PM 1412 Views
True...But it made her strong enough to easily overcome both... Shannow - 22/09/2010 07:28:12 PM 1367 Views
This I can believe ... it's just problematic since the angreal isn't mentioned darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:51:19 PM 1466 Views
Re: This I can believe ... it's just problematic since the angreal isn't mentioned Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:54:18 PM 1419 Views
LMAO... nice! darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 08:24:20 PM 1439 Views
I think we need to place Aran'gar lower too.. fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 07:10:29 PM 1501 Views
A lot of unsubstantiated assumptions there... Shannow - 22/09/2010 07:13:51 PM 1342 Views
I would agree Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:22:50 PM 1491 Views
Re: I would agree darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:25:46 PM 1353 Views
Re: A lot of unsubstantiated assumptions there... fionwe1987 - 23/09/2010 03:03:26 AM 1428 Views
Mostly agree darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:23:53 PM 1411 Views
Re: Mostly agree Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:28:42 PM 1367 Views
Ever wonder why Graendal was given an angreal in the first place... Shannow - 22/09/2010 07:34:21 PM 1481 Views
Re: Ever wonder why Graendal was given an angreal in the first place... Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:50:55 PM 1523 Views
I am starting to believe that RJ didn't think quite so literally darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 08:07:45 PM 1434 Views
Not sure if you agreed with this before, but I reached this point awhile ago bwahaha RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/09/2010 08:53:42 PM 1464 Views
I've been on this side for a good long while darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 09:40:43 PM 1561 Views
*NM* alanna aes sedai - 28/09/2010 11:54:54 PM 943 Views
Well there is one thing to consider about this darius_sedai - 21/09/2010 07:32:44 PM 1681 Views
Yes, that seems the most likely answer. That and the use of the angreal. Shannow - 21/09/2010 07:35:53 PM 1553 Views
Aren't female channelers more dexterous in weaving than male? So her speed could be part of that. *NM* Bookwyrm - 22/09/2010 03:42:56 AM 956 Views
Re: Not even Ishamael could shield another male Forsaken and an Aes Sedai at the same time... The Angry Druid - 01/10/2010 12:23:57 AM 1452 Views
I'm disappointed that the dove was not hidden in a background description in the tGS scene... Shannow - 21/09/2010 08:22:29 PM 1547 Views
I was thinking the same thing ... was actually just about to go look for it myself! darius_sedai - 21/09/2010 09:01:34 PM 1541 Views
I'm happy there wasn't... fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 09:18:30 PM 1566 Views
Do you have more detail on Graendal's comments about Aginor's extensive use of the True Power? Shannow - 21/09/2010 09:23:48 PM 1519 Views
Re: Do you have more detail on Graendal's comments about Aginor's extensive use of the True Power? fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 09:52:07 PM 1650 Views
Very interesting. Another case of a character never utilised to his full potential in the series... Shannow - 21/09/2010 09:57:42 PM 1404 Views
True... fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 10:02:59 PM 1398 Views
So there are 6 Forsaken left. Tom - 21/09/2010 10:23:22 PM 1721 Views
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I am so glad Graendal is alive. I (& hopefully other "Graendal's Alive" supporters) feel vindicated. *NM* Bookwyrm - 22/09/2010 03:01:07 AM 1102 Views
Did anyone else feel that the Graendal scene was one big infodump? Marshall - 22/09/2010 03:32:44 AM 1630 Views
That's exactly what I was thinking the entire time. It didn't ruin my enjoyment though. Myrdhyn - 22/09/2010 07:12:00 PM 1505 Views
Wait...so NO ONE has wanted to discuss the Sapphic scene at Graendal's place? Tom - 22/09/2010 03:48:36 AM 1660 Views
yes, totally Lesbian. *NM* darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 03:04:16 PM 986 Views
No, the other L word. "LesbiAHNS?" *NM* Bookwyrm - 22/09/2010 04:18:55 PM 1040 Views
Yes, it was totally lesbian. Myrdhyn - 22/09/2010 07:09:19 PM 1450 Views
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After 13 books you still can't spell "trollocs"...wow...that's just...wow... *NM* Tom - 23/09/2010 03:41:24 PM 996 Views
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Re: Nice prologue, but not superb, IMO Sidious - 23/09/2010 09:54:33 PM 1562 Views
Well, that is one prediction I made correctly! Etzel would find a way to make it look like Slayer darius_sedai - 25/09/2010 05:43:20 PM 1624 Views
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I had a similar thought, but... RandAllThor - 23/09/2010 10:40:58 PM 1522 Views
Probably not Sanderson 4th Dimension - 23/09/2010 11:11:54 PM 1556 Views
No way Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2010 07:14:35 AM 1479 Views
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I agree. *NM* Etzel - 25/09/2010 09:42:46 AM 1013 Views
A few nits Terez - 12/10/2010 10:21:27 AM 1485 Views
Canadian Download site alanna aes sedai - 29/09/2010 12:05:12 AM 1980 Views
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