What rot... (also, Egwene and Rand) - Edit 1
Before modification by fionwe1987 at 22/09/2010 05:23:07 PM
It's possible, even likely IMO, that you can feel a shield being placed on you even if you are not holding the Source. There is no evidence in the books to suggest otherwise.
It's not just Siuan's PoV
How about Nynaeve's PoV in TDR when Liandrin & co shield her without her noticing?
Or Asmodean in TFoH when Lanfear shielded him. Asmodean only responded after she told Rand what she had done to him.
And that's just the top of my head.
Sure, you could claim they were all busy/ tired/ whatever...
but when nothing in all the books even indicates they could have noticed the shielding without holding the Source, then you're making stuff up, given what we do have.
Cheers,
Mik
Your essential argument boils down to: I don't like the evidence since it challenges my preconceptions. So I will say the evidence is worthless.
By your logic, there is no proof that stronger channelers can shield very weak channelers. Its all a case by case basis, and so I can argue that Rand can't shield Morghase, even though he did manage to shield Egwene and Elayne at one go.
Incidentally, when Egwene was completely fixated on Rand in tSR, he shields her and she doesn't feel it till she reaches for the source. That conclusively proves that you need to reach for the source to feel the shield from someone of the opposite sex. But I suppose this is a "case" that doesn't satisfy you either?
Holding the power or not ... I find it highly unlikely that anyone could cut off a Forsaken level channeler while performing all the other acts Graendal managed ... perhaps if her angreal was quite a bit stronger than we have been led to believe it would be possible.
Siuan and Asmo were exhausted/distracted and Nynaeve is so poorly trained in things like this that it's laughable...
Egwene didn't know there was a shield on her when Amys shielded her either ... but she was also asleep when it was done ...
I just don't see that there is a "standard" here ... it's case by case. IMO the evidence with Aran'gar is that she wasn't already holding the Power or Graendal wouldn't have been able to shield her so easily.