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I am so glad Graendal is alive. I (& hopefully other "Graendal's Alive" supporters) feel vindicated. *NM* Bookwyrm Send a noteboard - 22/09/2010 03:01:07 AM
Nice end to Lan's part. Will update soon!

Well, it feels really nice to be right. Partially, at least!

The fact that Graendal had a PoV, and escaped Rand's huge Balefire attack with just a broken ankle to show, was definitely the highlight of this Prologue!

For once, I was actually scared of one of the Foresaken. This woman knows her job, alright! If only she had had a more major role before! Or maybe not, as a surprise big-wig, she's excellent!

So it turns out Rand did surprise her, though she figured out Nynaeve waskind of behind it almost at once. Then, true to character, she played it safe, in an impressive manner. If only Rahvin, Sammael and Be'lal had had this much sense, they'd have beaten Rand long ago! I do wish they'd had her come up with a good reason for using Delana though. That part was a little weak.

And Graendal now wants Nynaeve dead. It seems we'll see an epic fight between Nynaeve and a Foresaken after all!

Perrin's part was actually interesting to me. I'm unsurprised there's some distance between him and Faile. His story looks set to move in interesting directions.

Lan and Galad were nice, though Lan's part was too short, for my liking. I'd like to have had a longer PoV featuring him.

The final scene in the Blightborder was awesome. The dismal landscape and the hopeless bravery... this is the kind of stuff that screams the LB is approaching.

On the whole, a very nice prologue, and I'm very very glad Graendal is alive and seeking revenge. She is the First Foresaken who seems aware of Nynaeve and Egwene. She now has personal cause not only against Rand but Nyn as well. She also seems to plan to kill Min. Can it be that Graendal is part of Rand's entourage now? I doubt she remained behind in Arad Doman.

It is also interesting that she has the use of the TP again. And she can shield Delana and Aran'gar, wrap them in Air, and weave a Gateway all at once. Another little proof that I was right about how strong the strongest women are.
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Towers of Midnight : Prologue discussion - 21/09/2010 04:38:40 AM 9348 Views
Me Too! Guess who is alive!! - 21/09/2010 04:44:40 AM 2705 Views
A dove, that's weird - 21/09/2010 03:19:10 PM 2526 Views
Re: A dove, that's weird - 21/09/2010 03:26:39 PM 2449 Views
Yes, that's the point - 21/09/2010 11:49:00 PM 2281 Views
It did feel a bit deus ex machina - 22/09/2010 12:03:05 AM 2422 Views
Fain is as creepy as ever - 21/09/2010 05:06:35 AM 2548 Views
You all can go to heck (and find me a link!) *NM* - 21/09/2010 05:10:47 AM 1505 Views
Re: You all can go to heck (and find me a link!) - 21/09/2010 05:14:26 AM 2618 Views
It's D/L on B&N now *NM* - 21/09/2010 05:15:44 AM 1423 Views
Anyone find the audiobook version? *NM* - 21/09/2010 10:20:22 AM 1360 Views
I love the borderlanders - 21/09/2010 05:25:29 AM 2486 Views
Best scene of the prologue *NM* - 21/09/2010 03:28:28 PM 1439 Views
Could somebody post a link to where they got it? I want to go to a site where I can download now *NM* - 21/09/2010 05:39:13 AM 1455 Views
I posted some links here - 21/09/2010 06:04:38 AM 2362 Views
My quick summary - 21/09/2010 06:02:41 AM 3169 Views
Whoa, whoa, whoa. - 23/09/2010 02:59:37 AM 2209 Views
It's good, but... Perrin. Ugh. - 21/09/2010 07:37:43 AM 2514 Views
Awesome! - 21/09/2010 09:00:45 AM 2287 Views
Regarding Graendal - 21/09/2010 10:12:42 AM 2804 Views
Some things... - 21/09/2010 01:18:10 PM 2373 Views
I'm glad. Being right is a good feeling - 21/09/2010 04:12:08 PM 2304 Views
a very weak angreal - 21/09/2010 04:55:15 PM 2334 Views
Even a weak angreal - 21/09/2010 05:47:26 PM 2281 Views
The Angreal Elayne mentions made her 2x as strong as Nynaeve - 21/09/2010 06:04:21 PM 2169 Views
The laughter in Perrin's Dream - 21/09/2010 02:24:14 PM 2389 Views
Probably Slayer - 21/09/2010 04:29:41 PM 2291 Views
Re: Probably Slayer - 21/09/2010 04:39:36 PM 2103 Views
Audio Book - 21/09/2010 06:39:54 PM 2200 Views
Not even Ishamael could shield another male Forsaken and an Aes Sedai at the same time... - 21/09/2010 06:46:42 PM 2448 Views
It's different (I think?) but I'm certainly no expert and I'm sure someone else will reply - 21/09/2010 06:57:18 PM 2317 Views
OK, I haven't read the scene, so I don't know if Arangar was holding saidin at the time or not - 21/09/2010 07:00:23 PM 2143 Views
Re: OK, I haven't read the scene, so I don't know if Arangar was holding saidin at the time or not. - 21/09/2010 07:11:42 PM 2229 Views
Thanks. Was Arangar channeling at the time? - 21/09/2010 07:13:53 PM 2222 Views
I think so, yes. - 21/09/2010 07:15:44 PM 2172 Views
I don't think so actually - 21/09/2010 07:57:42 PM 2292 Views
I don't think Aran'gar was channeling - 21/09/2010 11:00:22 PM 2199 Views
I don't think she even closed her Gateway. It think it was BF'd *NM* - 21/09/2010 11:52:01 PM 1206 Views
no she wasn't *NM* - 21/09/2010 10:25:13 PM 1322 Views
nope, no power - 23/09/2010 03:05:30 AM 2096 Views
So here's what happens... - 21/09/2010 07:15:03 PM 2624 Views
Thanks. A few comments... - 21/09/2010 07:27:33 PM 2103 Views
I don't rule out the angreal... - 21/09/2010 07:32:40 PM 2082 Views
Elayne's weakest angreal doubles her strength. Graendal x2 can easily shield Cyndane+Moggy, so... - 21/09/2010 07:35:06 PM 2238 Views
Graendal's seemed much weaker... - 21/09/2010 07:52:20 PM 2093 Views
Elayne also called the x2 turtle angreal "weak"... - 21/09/2010 08:00:01 PM 2129 Views
and we know it wasn't enough to overwhlem Verin's circle - 21/09/2010 08:02:13 PM 1977 Views
I disasgree. There is no evidence that Aran'gar was holding saidin at the time - 21/09/2010 07:42:23 PM 2106 Views
Then why did she gasp at the shield? She couldn't have known what Graendal was weaving. - 21/09/2010 07:52:49 PM 2126 Views
because she was surprised that Graendal would put a shield on her in the first place - 21/09/2010 07:58:45 PM 2149 Views
How did she know there was a shield? - 21/09/2010 09:16:59 PM 2089 Views
Fact: Graendal cannot shield a male Forsaken and an Aes Sedai if they are holding the Source... - 21/09/2010 09:28:17 PM 2067 Views
Who said "they"? - 21/09/2010 09:55:28 PM 2068 Views
I really don't think you have to be holding the source to know you've been shielded - 21/09/2010 10:29:20 PM 1982 Views
Provide evidence? - 21/09/2010 10:36:36 PM 2081 Views
Thanks, but like I said, they were both wrapped in air. That's enough for Aran'gar to wonder - 21/09/2010 10:44:17 PM 1992 Views
They gasped before Graendal wove Air... - 21/09/2010 11:13:48 PM 2046 Views
Alright, you win *NM* - 22/09/2010 02:51:26 AM 1266 Views
*NM* - 22/09/2010 03:06:22 AM 1105 Views
Siuan was distracted by a number of other things going on, not to mention how suspect - 22/09/2010 02:43:36 PM 1940 Views
And Aran'gar was fully focussed on Graendal? - 22/09/2010 03:02:16 PM 2199 Views
More so than Siuan was on Elaida when they were shielded. - 22/09/2010 03:33:15 PM 2993 Views
So? - 22/09/2010 03:48:11 PM 1884 Views
It doesn't matter. There are more Shieldings that go unnoticed when not holding the Source - 22/09/2010 03:55:48 PM 1982 Views
Nice catches! - 22/09/2010 04:06:52 PM 2126 Views
we don't know that - 22/09/2010 02:35:50 PM 2044 Views
Huh? - 22/09/2010 03:03:52 PM 1980 Views
Give over, Darius... there's plenty of evidence... - 22/09/2010 03:45:11 PM 2028 Views
Give over what? There is no hard evidence that Aran'gar wouldn't notice a shield put on her - 22/09/2010 05:00:11 PM 1916 Views
What rot... (also, Egwene and Rand) - 22/09/2010 05:21:08 PM 2049 Views
take a pill Fionwe ... no need to go batshit on me for having an opinion. - 22/09/2010 05:38:21 PM 2015 Views
Re: take a pill Fionwe ... no need to go batshit on me for having an opinion. - 22/09/2010 05:45:05 PM 2172 Views
if it was JUST one shield ... but she's shielding an AS and weaving a Gateway too! - 22/09/2010 05:48:52 PM 4064 Views
Well... - 22/09/2010 07:00:26 PM 2046 Views
She says... - 22/09/2010 07:04:32 PM 2063 Views
no one is arguing that - 22/09/2010 07:09:17 PM 2046 Views
Er... - 22/09/2010 07:19:09 PM 1991 Views
I'm contending that it's possible Aran'gar snesed she'd been shielded - 22/09/2010 07:20:48 PM 2810 Views
Re: I'm contending that it's possible Aran'gar snesed she'd been shielded - 22/09/2010 07:26:52 PM 2776 Views
Again, I just find that option completely unlikely since Graendals angreal isn't all that strong - 22/09/2010 07:39:02 PM 2060 Views
You've made a long list of channelers "incompetant" and "untrained". Enough. - 23/09/2010 01:53:25 AM 2122 Views
Re: You've made a long list of channelers "incompetant" and "untrained". Enough. - 23/09/2010 03:42:31 PM 2010 Views
- 23/09/2010 03:54:02 PM 2031 Views
Re: . The evidence is that no channeled is that strong! - 23/09/2010 04:04:02 PM 2131 Views
Really? - 23/09/2010 06:11:00 PM 2111 Views
Re: Really? - 23/09/2010 09:56:09 PM 1978 Views
That's my point *NM* - 24/09/2010 12:20:45 AM 1253 Views
Dear God! The sheer amount of replies here just blew my mind, and my window (jk). *NM* - 24/09/2010 07:28:14 PM 1302 Views
Y o u' r e h u r t i n g m y s c r o l l b a r *NM* - 24/09/2010 11:30:27 PM 1246 Views
Re: She says... - 22/09/2010 07:12:48 PM 2041 Views
Exactly. - 23/09/2010 01:54:05 AM 1996 Views
The way it reads she is holding open a Gateway, then slams shields on both - 22/09/2010 07:08:17 PM 1993 Views
Continue being irrational then... - 22/09/2010 05:46:19 PM 2118 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... - 22/09/2010 05:53:05 PM 1996 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... - 22/09/2010 07:03:02 PM 1985 Views
Nope - 22/09/2010 07:19:30 PM 1888 Views
Re: Nope - 23/09/2010 02:06:35 AM 2029 Views
Toveine! Now THAT is a good catch, fionwe! - 23/09/2010 07:57:05 AM 2140 Views
Sidious pointed it out, actually. But thanks! - 23/09/2010 03:55:29 PM 2038 Views
And you ignore all the evidence in the series that definitively makes it impossible for Graendal to - 23/09/2010 03:57:49 PM 1915 Views
Well... - 23/09/2010 04:31:27 PM 2110 Views
According to Fionwe she isn't using the angreal - 24/09/2010 11:18:30 PM 2273 Views
Re: According to Fionwe she isn't using the angreal - 25/09/2010 09:38:41 AM 2084 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... - 24/09/2010 03:20:49 AM 2227 Views
Oh come on.. be real - 22/09/2010 05:39:51 PM 1971 Views
see that's an argument that makes more sense to me - 22/09/2010 05:47:17 PM 2067 Views
Re: How did she know there was a shield? - 24/09/2010 04:42:25 AM 1995 Views
You'[re missing the part about the bonds of air as well - 21/09/2010 11:06:04 PM 2011 Views
No. The sequence was shield-gasp-tie off shield-wrap in Air. *NM* - 21/09/2010 11:14:41 PM 1288 Views
We have seen people holding the source caught off guard by a shield *NM* - 22/09/2010 12:10:48 AM 1241 Views
Well, exactly! - 22/09/2010 02:01:12 AM 2049 Views
What I think happened - 22/09/2010 09:19:57 AM 2017 Views
It's not the male/female issue. It's a Forsaken vs Forsaken issue... - 22/09/2010 10:06:47 AM 1982 Views
Re: It's not the male/female issue. It's a Forsaken vs Forsaken issue... - 22/09/2010 01:31:52 PM 2090 Views
Fair point. - 22/09/2010 02:07:05 PM 2079 Views
I think it also bears mentioning that ... - 22/09/2010 04:17:17 PM 2052 Views
Graendal knew Aran'gar was distracted - 23/09/2010 07:10:52 AM 2012 Views
About shielding a channeler holding the Source... - 22/09/2010 05:51:34 PM 3092 Views
Re: About shielding a channeler holding the Source... - 22/09/2010 07:04:37 PM 3508 Views
The angreal makes this an unnecessary debate... - 22/09/2010 07:09:20 PM 2001 Views
she never shielded them - 22/09/2010 07:22:29 PM 1995 Views
True...But it made her strong enough to easily overcome both... - 22/09/2010 07:28:12 PM 1931 Views
This I can believe ... it's just problematic since the angreal isn't mentioned - 22/09/2010 07:51:19 PM 2051 Views
Re: This I can believe ... it's just problematic since the angreal isn't mentioned - 22/09/2010 07:54:18 PM 1990 Views
LMAO... nice! - 22/09/2010 08:24:20 PM 1988 Views
I think we need to place Aran'gar lower too.. - 22/09/2010 07:10:29 PM 2102 Views
A lot of unsubstantiated assumptions there... - 22/09/2010 07:13:51 PM 1915 Views
I would agree - 22/09/2010 07:22:50 PM 2108 Views
Re: I would agree - 22/09/2010 07:25:46 PM 1941 Views
Re: A lot of unsubstantiated assumptions there... - 23/09/2010 03:03:26 AM 1985 Views
Mostly agree - 22/09/2010 07:23:53 PM 2012 Views
Re: Mostly agree - 22/09/2010 07:28:42 PM 1957 Views
I am starting to believe that RJ didn't think quite so literally - 22/09/2010 08:07:45 PM 2037 Views
Not sure if you agreed with this before, but I reached this point awhile ago bwahaha - 22/09/2010 08:53:42 PM 2037 Views
I've been on this side for a good long while - 22/09/2010 09:40:43 PM 2144 Views
*NM* - 28/09/2010 11:54:54 PM 1199 Views
Well there is one thing to consider about this - 21/09/2010 07:32:44 PM 2273 Views
So there are 6 Forsaken left. - 21/09/2010 10:23:22 PM 2269 Views
For the record - 21/09/2010 10:53:16 PM 2186 Views
She opened two Gateways, IIRC - 21/09/2010 11:58:29 PM 2042 Views
Re: She opened two Gateways, IIRC - 22/09/2010 02:21:47 AM 2117 Views
I am so glad Graendal is alive. I (& hopefully other "Graendal's Alive" supporters) feel vindicated. *NM* - 22/09/2010 03:01:07 AM 1385 Views
Wait...so NO ONE has wanted to discuss the Sapphic scene at Graendal's place? - 22/09/2010 03:48:36 AM 2224 Views
yes, totally Lesbian. *NM* - 22/09/2010 03:04:16 PM 1267 Views
No, the other L word. "LesbiAHNS?" *NM* - 22/09/2010 04:18:55 PM 1377 Views
Yes, it was totally lesbian. - 22/09/2010 07:09:19 PM 2021 Views
No, not at all. Aran'gar is still a dude at heart. I think. *NM* - 22/09/2010 08:18:55 PM 1247 Views
I tend to agree - 23/09/2010 05:42:52 PM 2036 Views
Lady parts + Lady parts = Lesbian sex - 24/09/2010 11:24:36 PM 2660 Views
Yes, but its still a little off - 25/09/2010 09:40:16 AM 2070 Views
Transgender is a little convoluted I suppose - 25/09/2010 04:41:33 PM 2246 Views
Re: Transgender is a little convoluted I suppose - 25/09/2010 05:25:10 PM 2137 Views
What does Graendal think of Rand? - 22/09/2010 02:00:28 PM 2212 Views
She was really surprised and scared. - 22/09/2010 02:11:28 PM 2161 Views
I take it you haven't read the Prologue. - 22/09/2010 02:16:49 PM 2053 Views
Quite a bit... - 22/09/2010 02:31:14 PM 2196 Views
Agreed, she's been worrying about him since the begining - 22/09/2010 03:18:48 PM 2270 Views
Thanks for the answers *NM* - 22/09/2010 05:46:05 PM 1234 Views
Second best prologue ever... - 22/09/2010 06:24:44 PM 2428 Views
It's my favorite ever. Only one dark spot tarnished it. - 22/09/2010 07:18:12 PM 2054 Views
Yeah, tEotW is the best... - 22/09/2010 08:22:12 PM 2120 Views
Aran'gar is a tool - 22/09/2010 07:31:36 PM 2273 Views
Yes. s/He was. - 22/09/2010 08:59:16 PM 2063 Views
Shadow invading Kandor and Lan riding trough it. CONNECTION? - 22/09/2010 08:36:05 PM 2270 Views
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Nice prologue, but not superb, IMO - 23/09/2010 05:45:41 PM 2204 Views
Re: Nice prologue, but not superb, IMO - 23/09/2010 09:54:33 PM 2132 Views
I believe that Sanderson concocted the entire Graendal/Rand/Balefire part - 23/09/2010 10:24:46 PM 2819 Views
I had a similar thought, but... - 23/09/2010 10:40:58 PM 2130 Views
Probably not Sanderson - 23/09/2010 11:11:54 PM 2138 Views
No way - 24/09/2010 07:14:35 AM 2046 Views
I agree. *NM* - 25/09/2010 09:42:46 AM 1271 Views
A few nits - 12/10/2010 10:21:27 AM 2059 Views
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