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I am so glad Graendal is alive. I (& hopefully other "Graendal's Alive" supporters) feel vindicated. *NM* Bookwyrm Send a noteboard - 22/09/2010 03:01:07 AM
Nice end to Lan's part. Will update soon!

Well, it feels really nice to be right. Partially, at least!

The fact that Graendal had a PoV, and escaped Rand's huge Balefire attack with just a broken ankle to show, was definitely the highlight of this Prologue!

For once, I was actually scared of one of the Foresaken. This woman knows her job, alright! If only she had had a more major role before! Or maybe not, as a surprise big-wig, she's excellent!

So it turns out Rand did surprise her, though she figured out Nynaeve waskind of behind it almost at once. Then, true to character, she played it safe, in an impressive manner. If only Rahvin, Sammael and Be'lal had had this much sense, they'd have beaten Rand long ago! I do wish they'd had her come up with a good reason for using Delana though. That part was a little weak.

And Graendal now wants Nynaeve dead. It seems we'll see an epic fight between Nynaeve and a Foresaken after all!

Perrin's part was actually interesting to me. I'm unsurprised there's some distance between him and Faile. His story looks set to move in interesting directions.

Lan and Galad were nice, though Lan's part was too short, for my liking. I'd like to have had a longer PoV featuring him.

The final scene in the Blightborder was awesome. The dismal landscape and the hopeless bravery... this is the kind of stuff that screams the LB is approaching.

On the whole, a very nice prologue, and I'm very very glad Graendal is alive and seeking revenge. She is the First Foresaken who seems aware of Nynaeve and Egwene. She now has personal cause not only against Rand but Nyn as well. She also seems to plan to kill Min. Can it be that Graendal is part of Rand's entourage now? I doubt she remained behind in Arad Doman.

It is also interesting that she has the use of the TP again. And she can shield Delana and Aran'gar, wrap them in Air, and weave a Gateway all at once. Another little proof that I was right about how strong the strongest women are.
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Towers of Midnight : Prologue discussion - 21/09/2010 04:38:40 AM 8786 Views
Me Too! Guess who is alive!! - 21/09/2010 04:44:40 AM 2487 Views
A dove, that's weird - 21/09/2010 03:19:10 PM 2240 Views
Re: A dove, that's weird - 21/09/2010 03:26:39 PM 2188 Views
Yes, that's the point - 21/09/2010 11:49:00 PM 2044 Views
It did feel a bit deus ex machina - 22/09/2010 12:03:05 AM 2165 Views
Fain is as creepy as ever - 21/09/2010 05:06:35 AM 2277 Views
You all can go to heck (and find me a link!) *NM* - 21/09/2010 05:10:47 AM 1352 Views
Re: You all can go to heck (and find me a link!) - 21/09/2010 05:14:26 AM 2358 Views
It's D/L on B&N now *NM* - 21/09/2010 05:15:44 AM 1253 Views
Anyone find the audiobook version? *NM* - 21/09/2010 10:20:22 AM 1239 Views
I love the borderlanders - 21/09/2010 05:25:29 AM 2219 Views
Best scene of the prologue *NM* - 21/09/2010 03:28:28 PM 1305 Views
Could somebody post a link to where they got it? I want to go to a site where I can download now *NM* - 21/09/2010 05:39:13 AM 1218 Views
I posted some links here - 21/09/2010 06:04:38 AM 2077 Views
My quick summary - 21/09/2010 06:02:41 AM 2866 Views
Whoa, whoa, whoa. - 23/09/2010 02:59:37 AM 1952 Views
It's good, but... Perrin. Ugh. - 21/09/2010 07:37:43 AM 2276 Views
Awesome! - 21/09/2010 09:00:45 AM 2035 Views
Regarding Graendal - 21/09/2010 10:12:42 AM 2540 Views
Some things... - 21/09/2010 01:18:10 PM 2096 Views
I'm glad. Being right is a good feeling - 21/09/2010 04:12:08 PM 2050 Views
a very weak angreal - 21/09/2010 04:55:15 PM 2050 Views
Even a weak angreal - 21/09/2010 05:47:26 PM 1996 Views
The Angreal Elayne mentions made her 2x as strong as Nynaeve - 21/09/2010 06:04:21 PM 1884 Views
The laughter in Perrin's Dream - 21/09/2010 02:24:14 PM 2113 Views
Probably Slayer - 21/09/2010 04:29:41 PM 1999 Views
Re: Probably Slayer - 21/09/2010 04:39:36 PM 1814 Views
Audio Book - 21/09/2010 06:39:54 PM 1941 Views
Not even Ishamael could shield another male Forsaken and an Aes Sedai at the same time... - 21/09/2010 06:46:42 PM 2150 Views
It's different (I think?) but I'm certainly no expert and I'm sure someone else will reply - 21/09/2010 06:57:18 PM 2062 Views
OK, I haven't read the scene, so I don't know if Arangar was holding saidin at the time or not - 21/09/2010 07:00:23 PM 1865 Views
Re: OK, I haven't read the scene, so I don't know if Arangar was holding saidin at the time or not. - 21/09/2010 07:11:42 PM 1989 Views
Thanks. Was Arangar channeling at the time? - 21/09/2010 07:13:53 PM 1970 Views
I think so, yes. - 21/09/2010 07:15:44 PM 1919 Views
I don't think so actually - 21/09/2010 07:57:42 PM 1996 Views
I don't think Aran'gar was channeling - 21/09/2010 11:00:22 PM 1928 Views
I don't think she even closed her Gateway. It think it was BF'd *NM* - 21/09/2010 11:52:01 PM 1076 Views
no she wasn't *NM* - 21/09/2010 10:25:13 PM 1181 Views
nope, no power - 23/09/2010 03:05:30 AM 1810 Views
So here's what happens... - 21/09/2010 07:15:03 PM 2343 Views
Thanks. A few comments... - 21/09/2010 07:27:33 PM 1834 Views
I don't rule out the angreal... - 21/09/2010 07:32:40 PM 1850 Views
Elayne's weakest angreal doubles her strength. Graendal x2 can easily shield Cyndane+Moggy, so... - 21/09/2010 07:35:06 PM 1996 Views
Graendal's seemed much weaker... - 21/09/2010 07:52:20 PM 1842 Views
Elayne also called the x2 turtle angreal "weak"... - 21/09/2010 08:00:01 PM 1885 Views
and we know it wasn't enough to overwhlem Verin's circle - 21/09/2010 08:02:13 PM 1723 Views
I disasgree. There is no evidence that Aran'gar was holding saidin at the time - 21/09/2010 07:42:23 PM 1817 Views
Then why did she gasp at the shield? She couldn't have known what Graendal was weaving. - 21/09/2010 07:52:49 PM 1855 Views
because she was surprised that Graendal would put a shield on her in the first place - 21/09/2010 07:58:45 PM 1874 Views
How did she know there was a shield? - 21/09/2010 09:16:59 PM 1826 Views
Fact: Graendal cannot shield a male Forsaken and an Aes Sedai if they are holding the Source... - 21/09/2010 09:28:17 PM 1798 Views
Who said "they"? - 21/09/2010 09:55:28 PM 1794 Views
I really don't think you have to be holding the source to know you've been shielded - 21/09/2010 10:29:20 PM 1755 Views
Provide evidence? - 21/09/2010 10:36:36 PM 1797 Views
Thanks, but like I said, they were both wrapped in air. That's enough for Aran'gar to wonder - 21/09/2010 10:44:17 PM 1725 Views
They gasped before Graendal wove Air... - 21/09/2010 11:13:48 PM 1799 Views
Alright, you win *NM* - 22/09/2010 02:51:26 AM 1127 Views
*NM* - 22/09/2010 03:06:22 AM 986 Views
Siuan was distracted by a number of other things going on, not to mention how suspect - 22/09/2010 02:43:36 PM 1718 Views
And Aran'gar was fully focussed on Graendal? - 22/09/2010 03:02:16 PM 1945 Views
More so than Siuan was on Elaida when they were shielded. - 22/09/2010 03:33:15 PM 2748 Views
So? - 22/09/2010 03:48:11 PM 1639 Views
It doesn't matter. There are more Shieldings that go unnoticed when not holding the Source - 22/09/2010 03:55:48 PM 1724 Views
Nice catches! - 22/09/2010 04:06:52 PM 1852 Views
we don't know that - 22/09/2010 02:35:50 PM 1791 Views
Huh? - 22/09/2010 03:03:52 PM 1726 Views
Give over, Darius... there's plenty of evidence... - 22/09/2010 03:45:11 PM 1776 Views
Give over what? There is no hard evidence that Aran'gar wouldn't notice a shield put on her - 22/09/2010 05:00:11 PM 1673 Views
What rot... (also, Egwene and Rand) - 22/09/2010 05:21:08 PM 1788 Views
take a pill Fionwe ... no need to go batshit on me for having an opinion. - 22/09/2010 05:38:21 PM 1763 Views
Re: take a pill Fionwe ... no need to go batshit on me for having an opinion. - 22/09/2010 05:45:05 PM 1897 Views
if it was JUST one shield ... but she's shielding an AS and weaving a Gateway too! - 22/09/2010 05:48:52 PM 3809 Views
Well... - 22/09/2010 07:00:26 PM 1823 Views
She says... - 22/09/2010 07:04:32 PM 1833 Views
no one is arguing that - 22/09/2010 07:09:17 PM 1778 Views
Er... - 22/09/2010 07:19:09 PM 1730 Views
I'm contending that it's possible Aran'gar snesed she'd been shielded - 22/09/2010 07:20:48 PM 2561 Views
Re: I'm contending that it's possible Aran'gar snesed she'd been shielded - 22/09/2010 07:26:52 PM 2523 Views
Again, I just find that option completely unlikely since Graendals angreal isn't all that strong - 22/09/2010 07:39:02 PM 1794 Views
You've made a long list of channelers "incompetant" and "untrained". Enough. - 23/09/2010 01:53:25 AM 1859 Views
Re: You've made a long list of channelers "incompetant" and "untrained". Enough. - 23/09/2010 03:42:31 PM 1775 Views
- 23/09/2010 03:54:02 PM 1762 Views
Re: . The evidence is that no channeled is that strong! - 23/09/2010 04:04:02 PM 1894 Views
Really? - 23/09/2010 06:11:00 PM 1848 Views
Re: Really? - 23/09/2010 09:56:09 PM 1728 Views
That's my point *NM* - 24/09/2010 12:20:45 AM 1119 Views
Dear God! The sheer amount of replies here just blew my mind, and my window (jk). *NM* - 24/09/2010 07:28:14 PM 1154 Views
Y o u' r e h u r t i n g m y s c r o l l b a r *NM* - 24/09/2010 11:30:27 PM 1128 Views
Re: She says... - 22/09/2010 07:12:48 PM 1781 Views
Exactly. - 23/09/2010 01:54:05 AM 1758 Views
The way it reads she is holding open a Gateway, then slams shields on both - 22/09/2010 07:08:17 PM 1733 Views
Continue being irrational then... - 22/09/2010 05:46:19 PM 1858 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... - 22/09/2010 05:53:05 PM 1719 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... - 22/09/2010 07:03:02 PM 1717 Views
Nope - 22/09/2010 07:19:30 PM 1626 Views
Re: Nope - 23/09/2010 02:06:35 AM 1787 Views
Toveine! Now THAT is a good catch, fionwe! - 23/09/2010 07:57:05 AM 1893 Views
Sidious pointed it out, actually. But thanks! - 23/09/2010 03:55:29 PM 1781 Views
And you ignore all the evidence in the series that definitively makes it impossible for Graendal to - 23/09/2010 03:57:49 PM 1658 Views
Well... - 23/09/2010 04:31:27 PM 1844 Views
According to Fionwe she isn't using the angreal - 24/09/2010 11:18:30 PM 1973 Views
Re: According to Fionwe she isn't using the angreal - 25/09/2010 09:38:41 AM 1821 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... - 24/09/2010 03:20:49 AM 1943 Views
Oh come on.. be real - 22/09/2010 05:39:51 PM 1726 Views
see that's an argument that makes more sense to me - 22/09/2010 05:47:17 PM 1818 Views
Re: How did she know there was a shield? - 24/09/2010 04:42:25 AM 1761 Views
You'[re missing the part about the bonds of air as well - 21/09/2010 11:06:04 PM 1762 Views
No. The sequence was shield-gasp-tie off shield-wrap in Air. *NM* - 21/09/2010 11:14:41 PM 1160 Views
We have seen people holding the source caught off guard by a shield *NM* - 22/09/2010 12:10:48 AM 1114 Views
Well, exactly! - 22/09/2010 02:01:12 AM 1800 Views
What I think happened - 22/09/2010 09:19:57 AM 1760 Views
It's not the male/female issue. It's a Forsaken vs Forsaken issue... - 22/09/2010 10:06:47 AM 1739 Views
Re: It's not the male/female issue. It's a Forsaken vs Forsaken issue... - 22/09/2010 01:31:52 PM 1817 Views
Fair point. - 22/09/2010 02:07:05 PM 1792 Views
I think it also bears mentioning that ... - 22/09/2010 04:17:17 PM 1815 Views
Graendal knew Aran'gar was distracted - 23/09/2010 07:10:52 AM 1735 Views
About shielding a channeler holding the Source... - 22/09/2010 05:51:34 PM 2848 Views
Re: About shielding a channeler holding the Source... - 22/09/2010 07:04:37 PM 3271 Views
The angreal makes this an unnecessary debate... - 22/09/2010 07:09:20 PM 1721 Views
she never shielded them - 22/09/2010 07:22:29 PM 1731 Views
True...But it made her strong enough to easily overcome both... - 22/09/2010 07:28:12 PM 1686 Views
This I can believe ... it's just problematic since the angreal isn't mentioned - 22/09/2010 07:51:19 PM 1801 Views
Re: This I can believe ... it's just problematic since the angreal isn't mentioned - 22/09/2010 07:54:18 PM 1736 Views
LMAO... nice! - 22/09/2010 08:24:20 PM 1751 Views
I think we need to place Aran'gar lower too.. - 22/09/2010 07:10:29 PM 1832 Views
A lot of unsubstantiated assumptions there... - 22/09/2010 07:13:51 PM 1662 Views
I would agree - 22/09/2010 07:22:50 PM 1810 Views
Re: I would agree - 22/09/2010 07:25:46 PM 1666 Views
Re: A lot of unsubstantiated assumptions there... - 23/09/2010 03:03:26 AM 1749 Views
Mostly agree - 22/09/2010 07:23:53 PM 1737 Views
Re: Mostly agree - 22/09/2010 07:28:42 PM 1692 Views
I am starting to believe that RJ didn't think quite so literally - 22/09/2010 08:07:45 PM 1744 Views
Not sure if you agreed with this before, but I reached this point awhile ago bwahaha - 22/09/2010 08:53:42 PM 1775 Views
I've been on this side for a good long while - 22/09/2010 09:40:43 PM 1882 Views
*NM* - 28/09/2010 11:54:54 PM 1082 Views
Well there is one thing to consider about this - 21/09/2010 07:32:44 PM 1994 Views
So there are 6 Forsaken left. - 21/09/2010 10:23:22 PM 2037 Views
For the record - 21/09/2010 10:53:16 PM 1926 Views
She opened two Gateways, IIRC - 21/09/2010 11:58:29 PM 1807 Views
Re: She opened two Gateways, IIRC - 22/09/2010 02:21:47 AM 1863 Views
I am so glad Graendal is alive. I (& hopefully other "Graendal's Alive" supporters) feel vindicated. *NM* - 22/09/2010 03:01:07 AM 1242 Views
Wait...so NO ONE has wanted to discuss the Sapphic scene at Graendal's place? - 22/09/2010 03:48:36 AM 1998 Views
yes, totally Lesbian. *NM* - 22/09/2010 03:04:16 PM 1132 Views
No, the other L word. "LesbiAHNS?" *NM* - 22/09/2010 04:18:55 PM 1181 Views
Yes, it was totally lesbian. - 22/09/2010 07:09:19 PM 1750 Views
No, not at all. Aran'gar is still a dude at heart. I think. *NM* - 22/09/2010 08:18:55 PM 1138 Views
I tend to agree - 23/09/2010 05:42:52 PM 1788 Views
Lady parts + Lady parts = Lesbian sex - 24/09/2010 11:24:36 PM 2399 Views
Yes, but its still a little off - 25/09/2010 09:40:16 AM 1824 Views
Transgender is a little convoluted I suppose - 25/09/2010 04:41:33 PM 1984 Views
Re: Transgender is a little convoluted I suppose - 25/09/2010 05:25:10 PM 1889 Views
What does Graendal think of Rand? - 22/09/2010 02:00:28 PM 1949 Views
She was really surprised and scared. - 22/09/2010 02:11:28 PM 1920 Views
I take it you haven't read the Prologue. - 22/09/2010 02:16:49 PM 1794 Views
Quite a bit... - 22/09/2010 02:31:14 PM 1956 Views
Agreed, she's been worrying about him since the begining - 22/09/2010 03:18:48 PM 2000 Views
Thanks for the answers *NM* - 22/09/2010 05:46:05 PM 1098 Views
Second best prologue ever... - 22/09/2010 06:24:44 PM 2197 Views
It's my favorite ever. Only one dark spot tarnished it. - 22/09/2010 07:18:12 PM 1821 Views
Yeah, tEotW is the best... - 22/09/2010 08:22:12 PM 1856 Views
Aran'gar is a tool - 22/09/2010 07:31:36 PM 1993 Views
Yes. s/He was. - 22/09/2010 08:59:16 PM 1844 Views
Shadow invading Kandor and Lan riding trough it. CONNECTION? - 22/09/2010 08:36:05 PM 1991 Views
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Nice prologue, but not superb, IMO - 23/09/2010 05:45:41 PM 1929 Views
Re: Nice prologue, but not superb, IMO - 23/09/2010 09:54:33 PM 1870 Views
I believe that Sanderson concocted the entire Graendal/Rand/Balefire part - 23/09/2010 10:24:46 PM 2550 Views
I had a similar thought, but... - 23/09/2010 10:40:58 PM 1844 Views
Probably not Sanderson - 23/09/2010 11:11:54 PM 1881 Views
No way - 24/09/2010 07:14:35 AM 1800 Views
I agree. *NM* - 25/09/2010 09:42:46 AM 1144 Views
A few nits - 12/10/2010 10:21:27 AM 1808 Views
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