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How was Egwene to know Elaida made a half-hearted attempt? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 14/09/2010 04:06:15 AM
You say Rand is above criticism for not listening to Logain about Taim because he has no reason to believe Taim is a traitor. Yet here you are, blaming Egwene for not divining that Elaida made a tepid attempt to have the streets cleaned!


In the first place, she's not really a ruler (or shouldn't be, which is the Tower's fault, not hers), and in the second place, she hasn't had to do anything as a ruler yet.

Huh? Eradicating the Blacks among the Rebels wasn't the act of a ruler? Or sending Nynaeve and Elayne to hunt for the Bowl of the Winds? What about sending Logain to help Rand? Refusing a rescue from the Tower to ensure that the Rebels and the Loyalists won't be irreparably split? Organizing the defense against the Seanchan? Making Sitters and Sisters from various Ajahs work towards healing the rifts Alviarin caused?

All of her actions have been about political power and opportunism.

Yes, because ruling and political power are polar opposites. She led the Rebels, initially in name only, later on in fact. Within the Tower, she did what Elaida should have been doing as Amyrlin.

I have criticized her policies, because she hasn't had any yet.

Ignoring the factual error in there, you do realize this is our point, right? You criticize Egwene with no basis. If you can criticize Egwene's policies while believing she has had no policies, you can make no claim to rational argument.

The whole book has been about her campaign for office.

No, it has been about her winning a civil war as the leader of the rebel faction. Read the damn books!
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Rand vs Egwene... one-line scenarios Sidious - 05/09/2010 05:21:08 PM 2735 Views
loled at every one *NM* car'a'aman - 05/09/2010 05:35:03 PM 652 Views
Good for some sunday night relief I hope *NM* Sidious - 05/09/2010 09:51:10 PM 593 Views
Hmm... I don't think you want to read the rebuttal to that *NM* BlackAdder - 05/09/2010 06:07:16 PM 811 Views
True Sidious - 05/09/2010 09:52:09 PM 1111 Views
But you've already read my post *NM* BlackAdder - 05/09/2010 11:53:58 PM 673 Views
I only used one eye *NM* Sidious - 06/09/2010 11:52:19 AM 565 Views
Still counts *NM* BlackAdder - 06/09/2010 03:06:44 PM 594 Views
*NM* Cannoli - 06/09/2010 01:02:44 AM 556 Views
You're being a reverse Cannoli. And at least he has a point and is sometimes amusing *NM* Lordling - 05/09/2010 06:33:55 PM 652 Views
Re: You're being a reverse Cannoli. And at least he has a point and is sometimes amusing Sidious - 05/09/2010 09:54:29 PM 1177 Views
Re: You're being a reverse Cannoli. And at least he has a point and is sometimes amusing Cannoli - 06/09/2010 03:50:44 AM 1113 Views
Wow, that's a really strident and succinct opinion. I hope you get paid by the snark! *NM* newyorkersedai - 05/09/2010 11:07:18 PM 1112 Views
Well, someone has to stand up for Rand, yes? Lordling - 06/09/2010 07:10:36 PM 975 Views
Corrected for the sake of accuracy . Fanatic-Templar - 05/09/2010 06:51:58 PM 1186 Views
Nonsense... Sidious - 05/09/2010 09:56:41 PM 990 Views
Gotta love Dark Templar Fanatic-Templar - 05/09/2010 10:14:00 PM 1085 Views
That's partly why I didn't post a reply poking at her. *NM* BlackAdder - 05/09/2010 11:56:15 PM 671 Views
Poking whom? Phelix - 06/09/2010 01:20:32 AM 1031 Views
Egwene. I thought that was implied *NM* BlackAdder - 06/09/2010 04:03:25 AM 588 Views
Nice. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 06/09/2010 02:37:38 PM 586 Views
nice *NM* Deadsy - 05/09/2010 08:12:31 PM 536 Views
*drumroll* *NM* Sidious - 05/09/2010 09:56:54 PM 622 Views
That whole post is stupid, you can't compare Rand's ordeal to Egwene's. Lord Haart - 05/09/2010 10:14:43 PM 1147 Views
its a joke, shhhh *NM* Yunalesca - 05/09/2010 10:36:28 PM 779 Views
No, it's clever and tongue-in-cheek. *NM* newyorkersedai - 05/09/2010 11:04:26 PM 604 Views
Too bad! He has trumped any attempt to counter his arguments by calling it humor! Shut up now. *NM* Cannoli - 06/09/2010 01:00:49 AM 697 Views
OMG Sidious - 06/09/2010 11:48:48 AM 1087 Views
I know, appalling, right? Cannoli - 09/09/2010 07:27:40 AM 992 Views
Re: I know, appalling, right? Sidious - 09/09/2010 07:41:02 AM 1026 Views
He doesn't think so, why should we? Lohikaarme - 09/09/2010 03:40:25 PM 919 Views
Because he can't lose Sidious - 09/09/2010 05:21:50 PM 949 Views
I think Rand has far better odds of dying than Egwene. Fanatic-Templar - 09/09/2010 05:56:07 PM 974 Views
very nicely done newyorkersedai - 05/09/2010 11:06:24 PM 927 Views
Re: very nicely done BlackAdder - 06/09/2010 04:28:29 AM 979 Views
Sidious - 06/09/2010 11:49:20 AM 903 Views
Revised for accurracy, improved characterization and humor Cannoli - 06/09/2010 12:57:35 AM 1361 Views
the humor here is that you think you understand accurracy, improvement, characterization or humor! *NM* darius_sedai - 06/09/2010 01:56:57 AM 554 Views
I'm having to settle for being right. Better than being president... *NM* Cannoli - 06/09/2010 03:47:52 AM 649 Views
I'm trying to resist the urge to make a Bush joke. *NM* Phelix - 06/09/2010 08:21:15 AM 589 Views
Why resist ... he WAS a joke! *NM* darius_sedai - 06/09/2010 04:31:06 PM 590 Views
BWAHAHAHAHA ... thanks to our last president you are right! *NM* darius_sedai - 06/09/2010 04:30:00 PM 580 Views
Re: Revised for accurracy, improved characterization and humor Sidious - 06/09/2010 11:51:12 AM 1109 Views
indeed, one of the many reasons Tar Valon was such a large and powerful trading center darius_sedai - 06/09/2010 04:33:56 PM 1121 Views
seriously. LadyLorraine - 06/09/2010 05:12:08 PM 1061 Views
If a few score Yellows can't handle the disease issue, what point to the Aes Sedai at all? Cannoli - 06/09/2010 10:17:44 PM 1171 Views
Re: If a few score Yellows can't handle the disease issue, what point to the Aes Sedai at all? Sidious - 08/09/2010 08:30:35 AM 933 Views
Like Egwene understands the health implications! It's all about the aesthetics for her. Cannoli - 09/09/2010 12:35:57 AM 1038 Views
Well, she was an apprentice wisdom with Nynaeve for a while BlackAdder - 09/09/2010 05:33:25 AM 972 Views
An idiot would understand the implications Sidious - 09/09/2010 07:38:57 AM 952 Views
and it's not just Egwene! darius_sedai - 11/09/2010 02:11:16 PM 869 Views
Cannoli's just got huge blinders... fionwe1987 - 11/09/2010 04:59:50 PM 1080 Views
I feel like this post should be bulleted and made required reading before posting on this forum *NM* Deadsy - 11/09/2010 05:11:14 PM 593 Views
What kind of pussies are you that I pose such a threat? Cannoli - 14/09/2010 02:15:12 AM 994 Views
You forgot one very important point NaClH2O - 11/09/2010 06:44:32 PM 1020 Views
As to that... fionwe1987 - 11/09/2010 08:47:26 PM 805 Views
after dealing with his bushwa waaay longer than you, I'm content to ignore him *NM* NaClH2O - 11/09/2010 11:29:27 PM 582 Views
Remember the old times? fionwe1987 - 12/09/2010 03:35:43 AM 985 Views
I think we could use BlackAdder - 12/09/2010 10:40:47 AM 945 Views
ugh ... please don't ask for that! darius_sedai - 12/09/2010 02:25:32 PM 916 Views
Huh. Now that I think of it... Fanatic-Templar - 14/09/2010 06:51:59 AM 883 Views
all of you are most correct! darius_sedai - 11/09/2010 07:53:44 PM 932 Views
When exactly have I ever given someone else a pass for "necessary actions" I blamed Egwene for? Cannoli - 14/09/2010 02:08:29 AM 1137 Views
A few days back... fionwe1987 - 14/09/2010 04:03:41 AM 1022 Views
Yes, those are completely different scenarios. Cannoli - 14/09/2010 05:36:30 AM 1447 Views
Misinterpretations... fionwe1987 - 14/09/2010 07:26:11 AM 888 Views
How can you claim Verin merely "helped" Egwene? Cannoli - 15/09/2010 06:35:47 AM 1323 Views
Holy carp. I prefer my form of arguing. I make an *NM* post and then he calls me a name *NM* Deadsy - 15/09/2010 06:47:08 AM 514 Views
I'm not even going to bother with that anymore. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/09/2010 05:55:08 PM 537 Views
Re: Cannoli's just got huge blinders... orius - 17/09/2010 06:42:39 AM 1188 Views
Read his replies in this thread... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2010 06:48:20 AM 1016 Views
So your defense of Egwene is to refute her accusation against her rival? Cannoli - 14/09/2010 02:12:22 AM 1006 Views
Double Post. See below. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2010 04:03:55 AM 580 Views
How was Egwene to know Elaida made a half-hearted attempt? fionwe1987 - 14/09/2010 04:06:15 AM 906 Views
Re: How was Egwene to know Elaida made a half-hearted attempt? Cannoli - 14/09/2010 06:58:17 AM 957 Views
I give up. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2010 07:44:57 AM 1060 Views
No, I made MY point, and your refusal to admit to the slightest fault of Egwene proves MY point *NM* Cannoli - 15/09/2010 01:17:21 AM 494 Views
lol *NM* TaskmasterJack - 06/09/2010 02:46:23 PM 522 Views
So much venom. Maybe you should take a break one of these days, Cannoli. At this rate... lord-of-shadow - 08/09/2010 12:16:05 AM 1044 Views
I'm not the one posting to undercut the hero, while calling it humor to duck critical response *NM* Cannoli - 09/09/2010 12:37:07 AM 667 Views
I laughed very hard at this part: Gher - 09/09/2010 07:48:34 PM 914 Views
Somehow I think of the lyrics from "Defying Gravity", which aren't quite one line RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/09/2010 04:07:09 PM 989 Views
Look at it these ways newyorkersedai - 08/09/2010 02:47:46 AM 1055 Views
People are taking this way too seriously. Fanatic-Templar - 08/09/2010 06:33:28 AM 1002 Views
no argument there! *NM* newyorkersedai - 09/09/2010 05:08:25 AM 312 Views
Re: Look at it these ways Cannoli - 09/09/2010 07:26:37 AM 900 Views
It really comes down to the direction RJ went with his personality RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/09/2010 03:08:36 PM 841 Views
pretty cool idea. And I didn't know that about Alex the Great. Nice! *NM* newyorkersedai - 10/09/2010 12:03:36 AM 588 Views
Wow, posting from work is becoming less impressive as my stress increases. Had to fix errors *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/09/2010 10:50:07 PM 653 Views
This post was funny. Your responders are largely idiots who need a sense of humor. *NM* Dan - 08/09/2010 03:56:07 AM 695 Views
I really hate self-fulfilling prophecy. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 08/09/2010 06:34:45 AM 661 Views
Hee. <3 *NM* Dan - 09/09/2010 10:14:55 PM 584 Views
Re: Rand vs Egwene... one-line scenarios orius - 10/09/2010 06:28:50 AM 801 Views
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