Active Users:1084 Time:22/11/2024 12:27:15 PM
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules
How was Egwene to know Elaida made a half-hearted attempt? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 14/09/2010 04:06:15 AM
You say Rand is above criticism for not listening to Logain about Taim because he has no reason to believe Taim is a traitor. Yet here you are, blaming Egwene for not divining that Elaida made a tepid attempt to have the streets cleaned!


In the first place, she's not really a ruler (or shouldn't be, which is the Tower's fault, not hers), and in the second place, she hasn't had to do anything as a ruler yet.

Huh? Eradicating the Blacks among the Rebels wasn't the act of a ruler? Or sending Nynaeve and Elayne to hunt for the Bowl of the Winds? What about sending Logain to help Rand? Refusing a rescue from the Tower to ensure that the Rebels and the Loyalists won't be irreparably split? Organizing the defense against the Seanchan? Making Sitters and Sisters from various Ajahs work towards healing the rifts Alviarin caused?

All of her actions have been about political power and opportunism.

Yes, because ruling and political power are polar opposites. She led the Rebels, initially in name only, later on in fact. Within the Tower, she did what Elaida should have been doing as Amyrlin.

I have criticized her policies, because she hasn't had any yet.

Ignoring the factual error in there, you do realize this is our point, right? You criticize Egwene with no basis. If you can criticize Egwene's policies while believing she has had no policies, you can make no claim to rational argument.

The whole book has been about her campaign for office.

No, it has been about her winning a civil war as the leader of the rebel faction. Read the damn books!
Reply to message
Rand vs Egwene... one-line scenarios Sidious - 05/09/2010 05:21:08 PM 2737 Views
loled at every one *NM* car'a'aman - 05/09/2010 05:35:03 PM 655 Views
Good for some sunday night relief I hope *NM* Sidious - 05/09/2010 09:51:10 PM 596 Views
Hmm... I don't think you want to read the rebuttal to that *NM* BlackAdder - 05/09/2010 06:07:16 PM 812 Views
True Sidious - 05/09/2010 09:52:09 PM 1114 Views
But you've already read my post *NM* BlackAdder - 05/09/2010 11:53:58 PM 675 Views
I only used one eye *NM* Sidious - 06/09/2010 11:52:19 AM 567 Views
Still counts *NM* BlackAdder - 06/09/2010 03:06:44 PM 595 Views
*NM* Cannoli - 06/09/2010 01:02:44 AM 557 Views
You're being a reverse Cannoli. And at least he has a point and is sometimes amusing *NM* Lordling - 05/09/2010 06:33:55 PM 653 Views
Re: You're being a reverse Cannoli. And at least he has a point and is sometimes amusing Sidious - 05/09/2010 09:54:29 PM 1182 Views
Re: You're being a reverse Cannoli. And at least he has a point and is sometimes amusing Cannoli - 06/09/2010 03:50:44 AM 1117 Views
Wow, that's a really strident and succinct opinion. I hope you get paid by the snark! *NM* newyorkersedai - 05/09/2010 11:07:18 PM 1113 Views
Well, someone has to stand up for Rand, yes? Lordling - 06/09/2010 07:10:36 PM 977 Views
Corrected for the sake of accuracy . Fanatic-Templar - 05/09/2010 06:51:58 PM 1189 Views
Nonsense... Sidious - 05/09/2010 09:56:41 PM 992 Views
Gotta love Dark Templar Fanatic-Templar - 05/09/2010 10:14:00 PM 1089 Views
That's partly why I didn't post a reply poking at her. *NM* BlackAdder - 05/09/2010 11:56:15 PM 672 Views
Poking whom? Phelix - 06/09/2010 01:20:32 AM 1035 Views
Egwene. I thought that was implied *NM* BlackAdder - 06/09/2010 04:03:25 AM 589 Views
Nice. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 06/09/2010 02:37:38 PM 587 Views
nice *NM* Deadsy - 05/09/2010 08:12:31 PM 538 Views
*drumroll* *NM* Sidious - 05/09/2010 09:56:54 PM 625 Views
That whole post is stupid, you can't compare Rand's ordeal to Egwene's. Lord Haart - 05/09/2010 10:14:43 PM 1150 Views
its a joke, shhhh *NM* Yunalesca - 05/09/2010 10:36:28 PM 780 Views
No, it's clever and tongue-in-cheek. *NM* newyorkersedai - 05/09/2010 11:04:26 PM 607 Views
Too bad! He has trumped any attempt to counter his arguments by calling it humor! Shut up now. *NM* Cannoli - 06/09/2010 01:00:49 AM 699 Views
OMG Sidious - 06/09/2010 11:48:48 AM 1090 Views
I know, appalling, right? Cannoli - 09/09/2010 07:27:40 AM 995 Views
Re: I know, appalling, right? Sidious - 09/09/2010 07:41:02 AM 1029 Views
He doesn't think so, why should we? Lohikaarme - 09/09/2010 03:40:25 PM 922 Views
Because he can't lose Sidious - 09/09/2010 05:21:50 PM 950 Views
I think Rand has far better odds of dying than Egwene. Fanatic-Templar - 09/09/2010 05:56:07 PM 977 Views
very nicely done newyorkersedai - 05/09/2010 11:06:24 PM 928 Views
Re: very nicely done BlackAdder - 06/09/2010 04:28:29 AM 986 Views
Sidious - 06/09/2010 11:49:20 AM 905 Views
Revised for accurracy, improved characterization and humor Cannoli - 06/09/2010 12:57:35 AM 1364 Views
the humor here is that you think you understand accurracy, improvement, characterization or humor! *NM* darius_sedai - 06/09/2010 01:56:57 AM 557 Views
I'm having to settle for being right. Better than being president... *NM* Cannoli - 06/09/2010 03:47:52 AM 652 Views
I'm trying to resist the urge to make a Bush joke. *NM* Phelix - 06/09/2010 08:21:15 AM 590 Views
Why resist ... he WAS a joke! *NM* darius_sedai - 06/09/2010 04:31:06 PM 591 Views
BWAHAHAHAHA ... thanks to our last president you are right! *NM* darius_sedai - 06/09/2010 04:30:00 PM 581 Views
Re: Revised for accurracy, improved characterization and humor Sidious - 06/09/2010 11:51:12 AM 1112 Views
indeed, one of the many reasons Tar Valon was such a large and powerful trading center darius_sedai - 06/09/2010 04:33:56 PM 1126 Views
seriously. LadyLorraine - 06/09/2010 05:12:08 PM 1065 Views
If a few score Yellows can't handle the disease issue, what point to the Aes Sedai at all? Cannoli - 06/09/2010 10:17:44 PM 1174 Views
Re: If a few score Yellows can't handle the disease issue, what point to the Aes Sedai at all? Sidious - 08/09/2010 08:30:35 AM 937 Views
Like Egwene understands the health implications! It's all about the aesthetics for her. Cannoli - 09/09/2010 12:35:57 AM 1043 Views
Well, she was an apprentice wisdom with Nynaeve for a while BlackAdder - 09/09/2010 05:33:25 AM 974 Views
An idiot would understand the implications Sidious - 09/09/2010 07:38:57 AM 954 Views
and it's not just Egwene! darius_sedai - 11/09/2010 02:11:16 PM 871 Views
Cannoli's just got huge blinders... fionwe1987 - 11/09/2010 04:59:50 PM 1085 Views
I feel like this post should be bulleted and made required reading before posting on this forum *NM* Deadsy - 11/09/2010 05:11:14 PM 594 Views
What kind of pussies are you that I pose such a threat? Cannoli - 14/09/2010 02:15:12 AM 1000 Views
You forgot one very important point NaClH2O - 11/09/2010 06:44:32 PM 1023 Views
As to that... fionwe1987 - 11/09/2010 08:47:26 PM 808 Views
after dealing with his bushwa waaay longer than you, I'm content to ignore him *NM* NaClH2O - 11/09/2010 11:29:27 PM 583 Views
Remember the old times? fionwe1987 - 12/09/2010 03:35:43 AM 987 Views
I think we could use BlackAdder - 12/09/2010 10:40:47 AM 947 Views
ugh ... please don't ask for that! darius_sedai - 12/09/2010 02:25:32 PM 921 Views
Huh. Now that I think of it... Fanatic-Templar - 14/09/2010 06:51:59 AM 886 Views
all of you are most correct! darius_sedai - 11/09/2010 07:53:44 PM 937 Views
When exactly have I ever given someone else a pass for "necessary actions" I blamed Egwene for? Cannoli - 14/09/2010 02:08:29 AM 1143 Views
A few days back... fionwe1987 - 14/09/2010 04:03:41 AM 1028 Views
Yes, those are completely different scenarios. Cannoli - 14/09/2010 05:36:30 AM 1451 Views
Misinterpretations... fionwe1987 - 14/09/2010 07:26:11 AM 889 Views
How can you claim Verin merely "helped" Egwene? Cannoli - 15/09/2010 06:35:47 AM 1328 Views
Holy carp. I prefer my form of arguing. I make an *NM* post and then he calls me a name *NM* Deadsy - 15/09/2010 06:47:08 AM 517 Views
I'm not even going to bother with that anymore. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/09/2010 05:55:08 PM 541 Views
Re: Cannoli's just got huge blinders... orius - 17/09/2010 06:42:39 AM 1192 Views
Read his replies in this thread... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2010 06:48:20 AM 1018 Views
So your defense of Egwene is to refute her accusation against her rival? Cannoli - 14/09/2010 02:12:22 AM 1009 Views
Double Post. See below. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2010 04:03:55 AM 582 Views
How was Egwene to know Elaida made a half-hearted attempt? fionwe1987 - 14/09/2010 04:06:15 AM 909 Views
Re: How was Egwene to know Elaida made a half-hearted attempt? Cannoli - 14/09/2010 06:58:17 AM 961 Views
I give up. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2010 07:44:57 AM 1065 Views
No, I made MY point, and your refusal to admit to the slightest fault of Egwene proves MY point *NM* Cannoli - 15/09/2010 01:17:21 AM 495 Views
lol *NM* TaskmasterJack - 06/09/2010 02:46:23 PM 525 Views
So much venom. Maybe you should take a break one of these days, Cannoli. At this rate... lord-of-shadow - 08/09/2010 12:16:05 AM 1046 Views
I'm not the one posting to undercut the hero, while calling it humor to duck critical response *NM* Cannoli - 09/09/2010 12:37:07 AM 668 Views
I laughed very hard at this part: Gher - 09/09/2010 07:48:34 PM 917 Views
Somehow I think of the lyrics from "Defying Gravity", which aren't quite one line RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/09/2010 04:07:09 PM 991 Views
Look at it these ways newyorkersedai - 08/09/2010 02:47:46 AM 1058 Views
People are taking this way too seriously. Fanatic-Templar - 08/09/2010 06:33:28 AM 1007 Views
no argument there! *NM* newyorkersedai - 09/09/2010 05:08:25 AM 314 Views
Re: Look at it these ways Cannoli - 09/09/2010 07:26:37 AM 905 Views
It really comes down to the direction RJ went with his personality RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/09/2010 03:08:36 PM 844 Views
pretty cool idea. And I didn't know that about Alex the Great. Nice! *NM* newyorkersedai - 10/09/2010 12:03:36 AM 590 Views
Wow, posting from work is becoming less impressive as my stress increases. Had to fix errors *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/09/2010 10:50:07 PM 655 Views
This post was funny. Your responders are largely idiots who need a sense of humor. *NM* Dan - 08/09/2010 03:56:07 AM 698 Views
I really hate self-fulfilling prophecy. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 08/09/2010 06:34:45 AM 662 Views
Hee. <3 *NM* Dan - 09/09/2010 10:14:55 PM 586 Views
Re: Rand vs Egwene... one-line scenarios orius - 10/09/2010 06:28:50 AM 806 Views
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules

Reply to Message

Block Quote Paragraph Quote
Formatting
Smiley Codes