Rand's scenario is this: He is the sole person who can save the world, and the absolute best he can hope for is to die in the process. He has the voice of a LTT, the Kinslayer, in his head, he channeled a tainted Saidin out of necessity for ages, he's had everything and everyone he loves taken from him, turned against him, or in the worst, been forced to act against those he loves (his actions towards the Two Rivers and especially Min). Oh, and he was stabbed by Fain's blade. We know how corrupting his voice is (look at Elaida) so imagine what that wound is doing? Not to mention Ishmael's wound.
Oh, and then there's fun little experiences like losing a hand to a fireball, being shown that your mother, who you never even met, is being personally held and tortured by the Dark One himself, being kept inside a box for a month and being let out only to be beaten (or worse - to helplessly watch your loved one being beaten)...
Honestly, it's a miracle that Rand didn't just destroy the world. He has flaws, true, but in his case the majority of his bad judgments can be attributed to the way life has shaped him.
Egwene on the flip side, has been pampered by the author. All of her bad judgments are excused or ignored because of the way the books are written (for example, why not keep at least SOME of the BA prisoner? Still them first to be safe, but don't miss out on the information they hold!). While I liked Egwene well enough in KoD, I think TGS played her into the martyr role a little to easily for me take it seriously. She hasn't actually experienced any mental hardships that I can think of beyond the physical treatment she received, and that pales against what Rand got.
Oh, and then there's fun little experiences like losing a hand to a fireball, being shown that your mother, who you never even met, is being personally held and tortured by the Dark One himself, being kept inside a box for a month and being let out only to be beaten (or worse - to helplessly watch your loved one being beaten)...
Honestly, it's a miracle that Rand didn't just destroy the world. He has flaws, true, but in his case the majority of his bad judgments can be attributed to the way life has shaped him.
Egwene on the flip side, has been pampered by the author. All of her bad judgments are excused or ignored because of the way the books are written (for example, why not keep at least SOME of the BA prisoner? Still them first to be safe, but don't miss out on the information they hold!). While I liked Egwene well enough in KoD, I think TGS played her into the martyr role a little to easily for me take it seriously. She hasn't actually experienced any mental hardships that I can think of beyond the physical treatment she received, and that pales against what Rand got.
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Rand vs Egwene... one-line scenarios
05/09/2010 05:21:08 PM
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Hmm... I don't think you want to read the rebuttal to that *NM*
05/09/2010 06:07:16 PM
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True
05/09/2010 09:52:09 PM
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But you've already read my post *NM*
05/09/2010 11:53:58 PM
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You're being a reverse Cannoli. And at least he has a point and is sometimes amusing *NM*
05/09/2010 06:33:55 PM
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Re: You're being a reverse Cannoli. And at least he has a point and is sometimes amusing
05/09/2010 09:54:29 PM
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Re: You're being a reverse Cannoli. And at least he has a point and is sometimes amusing
06/09/2010 03:50:44 AM
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Wow, that's a really strident and succinct opinion. I hope you get paid by the snark! *NM*
05/09/2010 11:07:18 PM
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Corrected for the sake of accuracy .
05/09/2010 06:51:58 PM
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Nonsense...
05/09/2010 09:56:41 PM
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Gotta love Dark Templar
05/09/2010 10:14:00 PM
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That's partly why I didn't post a reply poking at her. *NM*
05/09/2010 11:56:15 PM
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That whole post is stupid, you can't compare Rand's ordeal to Egwene's.
05/09/2010 10:14:43 PM
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its a joke, shhhh *NM*
05/09/2010 10:36:28 PM
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Too bad! He has trumped any attempt to counter his arguments by calling it humor! Shut up now. *NM*
06/09/2010 01:00:49 AM
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OMG
06/09/2010 11:48:48 AM
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I know, appalling, right?
09/09/2010 07:27:40 AM
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Re: I know, appalling, right?
09/09/2010 07:41:02 AM
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He doesn't think so, why should we?
09/09/2010 03:40:25 PM
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Revised for accurracy, improved characterization and humor
06/09/2010 12:57:35 AM
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the humor here is that you think you understand accurracy, improvement, characterization or humor! *NM*
06/09/2010 01:56:57 AM
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I'm having to settle for being right. Better than being president... *NM*
06/09/2010 03:47:52 AM
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Re: Revised for accurracy, improved characterization and humor
06/09/2010 11:51:12 AM
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indeed, one of the many reasons Tar Valon was such a large and powerful trading center
06/09/2010 04:33:56 PM
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If a few score Yellows can't handle the disease issue, what point to the Aes Sedai at all?
06/09/2010 10:17:44 PM
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Re: If a few score Yellows can't handle the disease issue, what point to the Aes Sedai at all?
08/09/2010 08:30:35 AM
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Like Egwene understands the health implications! It's all about the aesthetics for her.
09/09/2010 12:35:57 AM
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Well, she was an apprentice wisdom with Nynaeve for a while
09/09/2010 05:33:25 AM
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An idiot would understand the implications
09/09/2010 07:38:57 AM
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and it's not just Egwene!
11/09/2010 02:11:16 PM
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Cannoli's just got huge blinders...
11/09/2010 04:59:50 PM
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I feel like this post should be bulleted and made required reading before posting on this forum *NM*
11/09/2010 05:11:14 PM
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You forgot one very important point
11/09/2010 06:44:32 PM
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As to that...
11/09/2010 08:47:26 PM
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after dealing with his bushwa waaay longer than you, I'm content to ignore him *NM*
11/09/2010 11:29:27 PM
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Remember the old times?
12/09/2010 03:35:43 AM
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When exactly have I ever given someone else a pass for "necessary actions" I blamed Egwene for?
14/09/2010 02:08:29 AM
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A few days back...
14/09/2010 04:03:41 AM
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Yes, those are completely different scenarios.
14/09/2010 05:36:30 AM
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Misinterpretations...
14/09/2010 07:26:11 AM
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Holy carp. I prefer my form of arguing. I make an *NM* post and then he calls me a name *NM*
15/09/2010 06:47:08 AM
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So your defense of Egwene is to refute her accusation against her rival?
14/09/2010 02:12:22 AM
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Double Post. See below. *NM*
14/09/2010 04:03:55 AM
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How was Egwene to know Elaida made a half-hearted attempt?
14/09/2010 04:06:15 AM
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Re: How was Egwene to know Elaida made a half-hearted attempt?
14/09/2010 06:58:17 AM
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I give up.
14/09/2010 07:44:57 AM
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No, I made MY point, and your refusal to admit to the slightest fault of Egwene proves MY point *NM*
15/09/2010 01:17:21 AM
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So much venom. Maybe you should take a break one of these days, Cannoli. At this rate...
08/09/2010 12:16:05 AM
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I'm not the one posting to undercut the hero, while calling it humor to duck critical response *NM*
09/09/2010 12:37:07 AM
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Somehow I think of the lyrics from "Defying Gravity", which aren't quite one line
07/09/2010 04:07:09 PM
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Look at it these ways
08/09/2010 02:47:46 AM
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It really comes down to the direction RJ went with his personality
09/09/2010 03:08:36 PM
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pretty cool idea. And I didn't know that about Alex the Great. Nice! *NM*
10/09/2010 12:03:36 AM
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Wow, posting from work is becoming less impressive as my stress increases. Had to fix errors *NM*
10/09/2010 10:50:07 PM
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This post was funny. Your responders are largely idiots who need a sense of humor. *NM*
08/09/2010 03:56:07 AM
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