Passing on useful survival skills trumped esoteric lore during the War of Power and the Breaking
RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 25/08/2010 03:18:47 PM
A weave that might be useful in one context might not be useful in another. Variations of Healing without a Talent for Healing, for example, makes the weave worthless to another channeler.
I think we could also look at the ritualistic practices surrounding the Test for the Shawl. It seems that most of the initiates learn the more useful weaves during their Accepted period of learning. Yet many of the weaves they have to learn to pass the Test are said to be "useless" or of a limited value. It is possible that some of these worthless weaves, in another context and given the right situation, are useful. Perhaps one of the weaves they are taught was the sonar-creating one used by the Wise Ones - but since no pregnant woman is nearby to test it on, it doesn't do anything. Also likely, is that those weaves might be variations or weakened versions of older weaves - when Sorilea showed Cadsuane the Travelling weave, for example, it was so flimsy and weak that it collapsed before it could create an effect. It could be the case that a similarly weak channeler, trying to pass this weave on to a younger person or student, could only roughly duplicate the matrix needed, in which case the younger student has a weave that doesn't seem to work, and which they don't have the technique to use. The chances of that weave being passed on become very low compared to a fireball or basic healing matrix of flows.
I think we could also look at the ritualistic practices surrounding the Test for the Shawl. It seems that most of the initiates learn the more useful weaves during their Accepted period of learning. Yet many of the weaves they have to learn to pass the Test are said to be "useless" or of a limited value. It is possible that some of these worthless weaves, in another context and given the right situation, are useful. Perhaps one of the weaves they are taught was the sonar-creating one used by the Wise Ones - but since no pregnant woman is nearby to test it on, it doesn't do anything. Also likely, is that those weaves might be variations or weakened versions of older weaves - when Sorilea showed Cadsuane the Travelling weave, for example, it was so flimsy and weak that it collapsed before it could create an effect. It could be the case that a similarly weak channeler, trying to pass this weave on to a younger person or student, could only roughly duplicate the matrix needed, in which case the younger student has a weave that doesn't seem to work, and which they don't have the technique to use. The chances of that weave being passed on become very low compared to a fireball or basic healing matrix of flows.
"Those who think they have no time for bodily exercise will sooner or later have to find time for illness."
How were all these amazing weaves 'lost' ?
20/08/2010 04:33:43 AM
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You're right. It is merely a plot requirement, made ludicrous by the ease of mastering these weaves
20/08/2010 10:08:10 AM
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Re: You're right. It is merely a plot requirement, made ludicrous by the ease of mastering
20/08/2010 03:40:16 PM
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These are good points. To some extent, it may be because our main characters are "gifted" channelers
20/08/2010 08:57:49 PM
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The bigger problem is minor characters copying the weaves so quickly...
20/08/2010 09:14:25 PM
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Lost Weaves
20/08/2010 01:43:25 PM
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Not logical
20/08/2010 01:50:32 PM
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Re: Not logical
20/08/2010 03:22:04 PM
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All I'm saying, is that Travelling would STILL be a very usefull survival tool during the Breaking..
20/08/2010 03:44:59 PM
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If you go back and read the descriptions of the breaking, and think about the 3000 year cycle
20/08/2010 04:37:02 PM
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I don't think that creating cuendillar and 'angreals was common knowledge.
20/08/2010 05:06:20 PM
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You & Ryan make good points, esp on balefire/compulsion. In a shorter series, it'd make more sense
20/08/2010 08:52:59 PM
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Maybe Aes Sedai treated weaves like Intellectual Property
20/08/2010 09:49:12 PM
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Trademark? Patent? Or Copyright? =P *NM*
20/08/2010 10:19:36 PM
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If they are secretive and protective, it's not a huge stretch that knowledge would be taken into the
21/08/2010 10:27:15 AM
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Idea?
21/08/2010 12:47:52 AM
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But they weren't too weak
21/08/2010 02:48:43 AM
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That's because most of the major people in WoT are powerful channelers.
21/08/2010 04:13:04 AM
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How can you "write a weave down"?
21/08/2010 04:54:28 PM
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How did Moiraine learn balefire then? *NM*
21/08/2010 05:04:27 PM
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figured it out on her own, don't forget that Nyn used it too against the Fades in TDR. *NM*
21/08/2010 05:12:15 PM
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That's a stretch - Moiraine never demonstrated any creative talent with the OP...
21/08/2010 06:15:01 PM
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OK, I'll buy Vandene teaching it, but not learning it from a written description *NM*
21/08/2010 06:35:46 PM
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I disagree - Moiraine's wilder tricks show that she is quite creative with the OP
24/08/2010 03:31:06 PM
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Re: I disagree - Moiraine's wilder tricks show that she is quite creative with the OP
24/08/2010 05:32:11 PM
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We know of her trick with stones and light from 'New Spring' IIRC
25/08/2010 02:40:26 PM
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Passing on useful survival skills trumped esoteric lore during the War of Power and the Breaking
25/08/2010 03:18:47 PM
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