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Re: I disagree - Moiraine's wilder tricks show that she is quite creative with the OP DomA Send a noteboard - 24/08/2010 05:32:11 PM
We know for example that she started experimenting with the One Power once she found out she could channel - she generated a trick involving light sources and stones. Further there were variations of weaves in which she used a staff or branch as a focus such as whips of fire and using a branch as a fireball-shooting wand.

I'm not going so far to say that she is on the same level as Egwene, Elayne and Nynaeve, but I do think that unlike many Sisters, by the time she was Raised, she was known as barely above a Wilder for a reason, and I think it is because she had personal tricks that lay outside of what the White Tower taught.


As far as we know, Moiraine has only one wilder trick, and it's the eavesdropping ward using her stone as a focus. Only the way she does it is unique.

Wilders are creative all right (all but the Tower trained ones, like the Kinswomen). Probably any channeller can be creative, but that's all before the White Tower hammers in their heads that they mustn't ever experiment with the One Power. The Tower kills all creativity its channellers have, meaning sisters may even have some of their major talents left totally unused because they are in areas OP knowledge is lost (Egwene's talent with Earth might have gone totally undevelopped had she had regular WT education). That's the big difference between Egwene/Elayne and the others (Nynaeve tended to fear the OP, so she stiffled her creativity). Egwene and Elayne didn't have enough WT time to kill their curiosity yet have had enough basic training to experiment with relative safety (unlike most wilders), and they had opportunities to experiment on their own and see when they did their ability developped and new areas and possibilities opened. The sisters in Tar Valon don't do that - only wilders had time to figure things out of their own and are brainwashed to not ever do that again - or didn't before Egwene/Elayne/Nynaeve were suddenly discovering so much they could no longer hide their heads in the ground and started following them with experimentation. We saw some sisters with "ideas" that may or may not have been personal weaves of theirs they kept hidden. It could well have been just ideas for real, that they had long ago but never dared put to the test before Egwene/Elayne and their discoveries.

Moiraine's use of objects as focus in channelling isn't "creative", it's a limitation/bad habit she's developped before her Tower training and can't get totally rid of.

The notion that she has the mindset to experiment until she discovered how to weave balefire on her own is quite ridiculous.

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I disagree - Moiraine's wilder tricks show that she is quite creative with the OP - 24/08/2010 03:31:06 PM 807 Views
Re: I disagree - Moiraine's wilder tricks show that she is quite creative with the OP - 24/08/2010 05:32:11 PM 1137 Views
But... - 24/08/2010 06:40:39 PM 774 Views
When did she use that? *NM* - 25/08/2010 09:34:31 AM 369 Views
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Elayne did use Moiraine's coin trick. - 25/08/2010 06:09:27 PM 904 Views
Likely from Vandene - 21/08/2010 05:58:31 PM 1142 Views
Something no one else is mentioning... that I saw... - 21/08/2010 07:15:49 PM 877 Views
one thing i've noticed - 23/08/2010 06:37:48 PM 813 Views
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