The Strongest Died seems like a pretty valid theory to me...
lodlom Send a noteboard - 20/08/2010 06:14:29 PM
with a slight alteration...
It is true that while the strongest were the only ones able to use the weaves on a regular basis, i'm sure that they were all taught the weaves in OP School. Just like Soriela knows the weave for traveling but isn't able to do it.
Eventually the Strongest did die off, and all that was left were those that weren't able to produce the weaves. But they still knew them of course and when they were able to find those that could (whether to be trained or those that could already) they could pass it on. As mentioned above, Ishmael likely had a hand in it by hunting down those that were strong enough to learn.
Eventually though, generation to generation, while still knowing, can't use it. And if you don't use it, you lose it.
Think about HS math. Unless you still use it (still going to college or use math on a regular basis) can you tell me how to figure out a sine, cosine, tangent of a triangle by hand? or the Pythagorean theorem? Or HS Spanish? sure, you could probably figure it out eventually, but if you don't use it, you do lose it. So it is likely that over time, those that couldn't make it work to just let it slide.
In the Rhuidean Columns, it was shown that the AS that came to take things from the Tinker wagons was on the edge of sanity due to being forced into Survivalist Mode for a long time and in that mode, you don't hang on to those things that are useless to your survival.
Also, you may say that "well I remember those things and I could pass them off" but not everyone is an effective teacher. Could you truly teach others well? Could they? and those that they teach? And with those unable to teach effectively, new channelers couldn't be brought to their full potential as well. Granted, the "no strong enough" channelers is a plot device but it is a valid theory.
It is true that while the strongest were the only ones able to use the weaves on a regular basis, i'm sure that they were all taught the weaves in OP School. Just like Soriela knows the weave for traveling but isn't able to do it.
Eventually the Strongest did die off, and all that was left were those that weren't able to produce the weaves. But they still knew them of course and when they were able to find those that could (whether to be trained or those that could already) they could pass it on. As mentioned above, Ishmael likely had a hand in it by hunting down those that were strong enough to learn.
Eventually though, generation to generation, while still knowing, can't use it. And if you don't use it, you lose it.
Think about HS math. Unless you still use it (still going to college or use math on a regular basis) can you tell me how to figure out a sine, cosine, tangent of a triangle by hand? or the Pythagorean theorem? Or HS Spanish? sure, you could probably figure it out eventually, but if you don't use it, you do lose it. So it is likely that over time, those that couldn't make it work to just let it slide.
In the Rhuidean Columns, it was shown that the AS that came to take things from the Tinker wagons was on the edge of sanity due to being forced into Survivalist Mode for a long time and in that mode, you don't hang on to those things that are useless to your survival.
Also, you may say that "well I remember those things and I could pass them off" but not everyone is an effective teacher. Could you truly teach others well? Could they? and those that they teach? And with those unable to teach effectively, new channelers couldn't be brought to their full potential as well. Granted, the "no strong enough" channelers is a plot device but it is a valid theory.
This message last edited by lodlom on 20/08/2010 at 06:54:41 PM
How were all these amazing weaves 'lost' ?
20/08/2010 04:33:43 AM
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You're right. It is merely a plot requirement, made ludicrous by the ease of mastering these weaves
20/08/2010 10:08:10 AM
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Re: You're right. It is merely a plot requirement, made ludicrous by the ease of mastering
20/08/2010 03:40:16 PM
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These are good points. To some extent, it may be because our main characters are "gifted" channelers
20/08/2010 08:57:49 PM
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The bigger problem is minor characters copying the weaves so quickly...
20/08/2010 09:14:25 PM
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Lost Weaves
20/08/2010 01:43:25 PM
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Not logical
20/08/2010 01:50:32 PM
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Re: Not logical
20/08/2010 03:22:04 PM
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All I'm saying, is that Travelling would STILL be a very usefull survival tool during the Breaking..
20/08/2010 03:44:59 PM
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If you go back and read the descriptions of the breaking, and think about the 3000 year cycle
20/08/2010 04:37:02 PM
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I don't think that creating cuendillar and 'angreals was common knowledge.
20/08/2010 05:06:20 PM
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You & Ryan make good points, esp on balefire/compulsion. In a shorter series, it'd make more sense
20/08/2010 08:52:59 PM
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The Strongest Died seems like a pretty valid theory to me...
20/08/2010 06:14:29 PM
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Maybe Aes Sedai treated weaves like Intellectual Property
20/08/2010 09:49:12 PM
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Trademark? Patent? Or Copyright? =P *NM*
20/08/2010 10:19:36 PM
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If they are secretive and protective, it's not a huge stretch that knowledge would be taken into the
21/08/2010 10:27:15 AM
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Idea?
21/08/2010 12:47:52 AM
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But they weren't too weak
21/08/2010 02:48:43 AM
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That's because most of the major people in WoT are powerful channelers.
21/08/2010 04:13:04 AM
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How can you "write a weave down"?
21/08/2010 04:54:28 PM
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How did Moiraine learn balefire then? *NM*
21/08/2010 05:04:27 PM
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figured it out on her own, don't forget that Nyn used it too against the Fades in TDR. *NM*
21/08/2010 05:12:15 PM
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That's a stretch - Moiraine never demonstrated any creative talent with the OP...
21/08/2010 06:15:01 PM
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OK, I'll buy Vandene teaching it, but not learning it from a written description *NM*
21/08/2010 06:35:46 PM
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I disagree - Moiraine's wilder tricks show that she is quite creative with the OP
24/08/2010 03:31:06 PM
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Re: I disagree - Moiraine's wilder tricks show that she is quite creative with the OP
24/08/2010 05:32:11 PM
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We know of her trick with stones and light from 'New Spring' IIRC
25/08/2010 02:40:26 PM
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Passing on useful survival skills trumped esoteric lore during the War of Power and the Breaking
25/08/2010 03:18:47 PM
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